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So I received a copy of Lion Rampant for Christmas and I'd love to use the rules to play some games set during the crusades. The problem is that I know very little about the period and don't know where to start in terms of reading up on the events, personalities, and military structures of the time. Can anyone give me some good book recommendations?

I'd like to do an army centered on the Knights Templar or Knights Hospitaller, and because I'll need to collect both sides their historically correct opponents. So I'm looking for:

1) A good general history of the period I'm interested in
2) Any books detailing military organization, uniforms, fortifications, etc.
   
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Osprey books. Cheap n plentiful info.
   
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God's War by Christopher Tyreman is a recent, comprehensive account. Another popular favorite is Jonathan Riley-Smith's The Crusades: A History.

Steven Runciman's three-volume account is well loved and readable but older.

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Terry Jones of Monte Python fame did a very good video series on the crusades. I highly recommend it for general background information.

Simon Brighton has a good book about Templar sites in England. It talks about their demenses in the UK as well as gives some overall history on them.

If you don't mind a drier read, pick up a copy of the rule of the Knights Templar. There are many versions, and most usually give some side detail about the various rules. This will give you a working knowledge of what they thought.

I'll look through my books when I get home and give you some more concrete recommendations.

In brief, the orders were similar but different in terms of foundational intent.

The Templars were founded to provide military protection for pilgrims on the road to Jerusalem and other key holy sites. Brigandage was regular enough that they developed to protect the common man on the road. The original group was promoted by Bernard of Clairvaux sufficiently that the pope gave them their own orders and set them as their own entity within the church. Their European possessions were there to earn money to support crusade efforts as well as provide banking institutions so that people could travel to the holy land. Much of the world's modern banking system is based on the Templars (checking, traveler's cheques, remote branches, etc were all created by the Templars for the purposes of facilitating pilgrimage to the holy land). Their rule was adapted by pretty much every other religious order in some way, shape, or form.

The Hospitalers were founded to care for the poor and the sick pilgrims. So while military in nature, their primary reason was not straight up fighting like the Templars. Both came to be the leading fighting institutions for monastic warriors, but not the sole ones (Knights of St. Lazarus, Teutonic Order, Livonian Order, and many others). The Hospitalers moved into southern Europe with their headquarters in Malta following the loss of the holy land. They successfully adapted to the changing climate and had a career fighting Arab pirates. They actually at one point helped colonize the New World, even owning what is now US territory for a brief period (St. Croix in the USVI). They still exist today as a religious order for the care of the sick and infirm.




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 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Osprey books. Cheap n plentiful info.


They are okay supplements, but poor if you want to really get in depth (I have them, and recommend them, but take them for what they are, cliff notes that skim over the surface in many cases).


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Some good Crusade books:

The Crusades by Michael Paine
Warriors of God by James Reston
First Crusade by Thomas Asbridge
Gesta Tancredi by Ralph of Caen (though this will be hard to find and expensive, it is written by Ralph of Caen, the biographer and eye witness of Tancred de'Hautville and the First Crusade)
Crusades by Terry Jones and Alan Ereira

For Templars:

In Search of the Knights Templar by Simon Brighton (Templar sites in the UK)
The Templars: Knights of God by Edward Burman

Books on the Norman Conquest of Italy and Sicily may also be useful, as you'll understand some of the key players in the First Crusade better.

Osprey's stuff is reasonably good, but like dipping your toe into the water if you want to really dig into the military orders (and they are fascinating in my opinion).

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Thanks for the recommendations, books ordered and I'm excited to start learning more about this period. Next question: Who sells the best miniatures that cover this period? I'm looking for 28mm both crusaders and Muslim, preferably plastic but I won't turn my nose up at metal either.
   
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Fireforge does some really nice plastic Knightly Orders and Men at Arms, Arabs, and Mongols. I believe Gripping Beast does plastic Arab foot. Interestingly enough, the Crusaders did attempt to 'ally' with the Mongols and were in some form of contact with them (though no one seems to agree on how much, and the Mongols mostly ignored them). They were hoping Mongol pressure would alleviate pressure on Outremer towards the end of its days. Also, the Teutonic Knights were involved in Eastern Europe to some extent vs the Mongols.

The Perry Hospitaler models are fantastic for any knightly order, but are metal. Additionally, they do a large range of exquisite First Crusade models, but they are metal and prone to flash problems. I believe Curtey's Miniatures do a number of crusade related models, but I've never ordered from them and they are metal.

First Crusade models are easily represented with Norman miniatures, and that lets you branch out into Conquest Games' plastics. They do Archers, Infantry, and Knights. I don't like their horses too much, but the models are generally all right and good value for the price.

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The Fireforge stuff is quite heroic scale, but it looks pretty nice and cohesive together and is definitely one of the better value options. The Gripping Beast Arabs are quite nice too, though I'm not sure on an Arab cavarly option that is plastic.

On sources for Crusades related stuff, Extra History did an amusing and informative series of videos on it:
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I recommend reading Crusading Warfare, 1097 – 1193 by R. C. Smail

There are all sorts of figures that can be used with the Crusades as well as most Norman figures (1st Crusade). Perry and Musketeer (Footsore) make the best IMHO.

My blog has years worth of Crusade posts as I painted my way through both sides of the conflict.

https://chicagoterrainfactory.wordpress.com/?s=crusade


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I recommend reading Crusading Warfare, 1097 – 1193 by R. C. Smail





I haven't read that one, but may have to pick it up at some point. Books that give you the why are, imho, much better than books that primarily give you dates.

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The Oxford History of the Crusades is an excellent modern general history of the whole period, covering over 200 years.

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-oxford-history-of-the-crusades-9780192803122?cc=gb&lang=en&

Due to the length of time involved, army and weapon/armour types changed significantly. You can use Normans for the first crusade, but they won't look right even for mounted sergeants a hundred years later.

Armies and Enemies of the Crusades is a good wargamer reference, practically the standard work on the topic, covering all the battles and troops with illustrations. A lot of the figures on the market are based on this book. Unfortunately it has been OOP for years and secondhand copies are not cheap.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Armies-Enemies-Crusades-1096-1291-Heath/dp/0904417085/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452161116&sr=8-1&keywords=armies+and+enemies+of+the+crusades

The Penguin Historical Atlas of the Mediaeval World will be a useful reference to understand the geography of the Crusades.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Penguin-Historical-Atlas-Medieval-World/dp/0141014490/ref=pd_sim_14_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=613d13Vgf7L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR116%2C160_&refRID=1578KRFBVTSPA3F0YWAF

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