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Greetings guys,
I recently visited a Warhammer store to relearn the game and myself and the store manager went through the rules of characters.
Something strange he did got me thinking, I was fielding a captain in terminator armour with twin power swords where as he was fielding a captain with a jump pack and a two handed sword conversion on an executioner model.
So on the charge he informs me he is not using his weapon two handed he is opting to switch to a one handed weapon profile, we we naturally both attack one another at the same time, on the second turn he informs me his character is now using his weapon in a two handed profile so he attacked last, resulting in an unsaved wound and instant death.

Does anyone know if this is legit or some kind of learning tool he was using, would appreciate feed back, got me to thinking of other models wielding different weapons, are we allowed to alternate between the weapons of choice. I.E. master of the chapter master of the marches previous model is equipped with both a power sword and a fist, can I alternate between those two legitimately?

As long as you use the same one for the entirety of the fight sub-phase, yes. If his sword had two weapon profile he can choose which to use at the start of the fight sub-phase.

Some weapons have multiple profiles. As a demonstration he may have been using a weapon that had both a 2handed profile and a regular one? I have never actually seen such a weapon. But if that's what he was doing then he can choose which profile to use at the start of his turn.

I would check the BRB rules for the '2-handed' special rule and see if it says anything about choosing whether or not you have the option to 'turn it off' during the turn. If it doesn't say anything about choosing, then it's likely he wasn't playing it correctly. Ask him to show you the profile of the weapon to determine if it is a duel-profile weapon.

It doesn't need the two handed rule to have a two handed profile. I doubt he was using it wrong.

Logan grimnar has two weapon profiles for his axe that work exactly how the manager played whatever weapon he was using. I don't think he was cheating unless no sword exists with two weapon profiles like that.

If he has two different weapons on his profile, he can use either one as the primary weapon for that round of combat.

However, if he just has a single weapon with the Two-Handed feature, he has to use it two handed.

So yes, if a character has a power sword and a fist, during assault he can choose between either during that round of combat (ie all the assault phase steps that happens in a single player turn) If the combat goes into another round (ie a second player turn) he can choose to use a different weapon at that time.

So an assault happens in Player A's assault phase during turn 3, this character can choose to use the fist. Then if assault ends with you still locked in combat, during Player B's assault phase during turn 3 the combat continues and you could choose to use the power fist instead.

But to clarify that a bit, there are weapons that say the wielder uses them two handed in a second profile that do not actually have the two handed special rule. The restriction is on the special rule.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
It doesn't need the two handed rule to have a two handed profile. I doubt he was using it wrong.

Logan grimnar has two weapon profiles for his axe that work exactly how the manager played whatever weapon he was using. I don't think he was cheating unless no sword exists with two weapon profiles like that.

I think we're in agreement. I was saying I have never seen a duel-weapon profile weapon that had an option for 2handed and non-2handed but you just pointed out one.

Haha yes I also think we are in agreement.

Some weapons can use different attack profiles.
However, I the only weapon in C:SM that can do that and I can think of, is the Black Blade from the Emperor's Champion (in 6th edition codex), and he can't take a Jump Pack.
But your TDA captain also can't take two power sqords, so yeah.

Intro games don't always use exact rules, and the manager might have been bending the abilities of the model in order to demonstrate and explain different rules for your benefit, i.e. instant death.

 JamesY wrote:
Intro games don't always use exact rules, and the manager might have been bending the abilities of the model in order to demonstrate and explain different rules for your benefit, i.e. instant death.

Back when I ran a GW store, this was actually company policy. You were supposed to fudge the rules to make sure the new person had fun and won the intro game. After they were hooked, you'd show them the full rules. Basic sales/marketing 101.

It could also be that the "1-handed" option was the Bolt Pistol that most Marine Characters usually have on hand.