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https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160127/archer-heights/whats-behind-no-sound-syndrome-on-chicago-police-dashcams

CHICAGO — Why are so many police dashcam videos silent?

Chicago Police Department officers stashed microphones in their squad car glove boxes. They pulled out batteries. Microphone antennas got busted or went missing. And sometimes, dashcam systems didn’t have any microphones at all, DNAinfo Chicago has learned.

Police officials last month blamed the absence of audio in 80 percent of dashcam videos on officer error and “intentional destruction.”

A DNAinfo Chicago review of more than 1,800 police maintenance logs sheds light on the no-sound syndrome plaguing Police Department videos — including its most notorious dashcam case.

Maintenance records of the squad car used by Jason Van Dyke, who shot and killed Laquan McDonald, and his partner, Joseph Walsh, show monthslong delays for two dashcam repairs, including a long wait to fix “intentional damage.”

On June 17, 2014, police technicians reported fixing a dashcam wiring issue in police vehicle No. 6412, the squad shared by Van Dyke and Walsh, about three months after it was reported broken, records show.

A day later, the same vehicle's dashcam system was reported busted again. It took until Oct. 8, 2014, to complete repairs of what technicians deemed “intentional damage,” according to reports.

Just 12 days later, on Oct. 20, 2014, dashcam video recorded from squad car No. 6412 on the night Van Dyke shot and killed McDonald did not record audio. The video that went viral showing Van Dyke killing Laquan was taken from a different squad car, but it, too, had no audio.

And on Nov. 21, 2014, a review of 10 videos downloaded from Van Dyke's squad car dashcam determined it was “apparent … that personnel have failed to sync the MICs [sic],” police records show.

Van Dyke has been charged with first-degree murder in Laquan's shooting. And Walsh, who filed reports backing up Van Dyke’s version of events that didn’t jibe with the video of the shooting, has been placed on desk duty as criminal and disciplinary investigations continue.

Four other police vehicles at Laquan's shooting scene that had dashcam systems also failed to record audio. Only two of the five vehicles had dashcams that actually captured video.

The dashcam in police vehicle No. 8489, shared by officers Thomas Gaffney and Joseph McElligott the night of Laquan's shooting, recorded 37 “event videos” in October 2014, and had an operational dashcam the night of the shooting. But “due to disk error” no video was recorded at the shooting scene, according to police reports.

Police maintenance records show a request to repair the dashcam in that squad car was made Oct. 15, 2014 — five days before Laquan's shooting. Yet, on Oct. 31, 2014, technicians found “no problems” with the equipment.

A week later, the dashcam system was reported broken again. Repairs to a “hardware failure” were completed more than four months later, police records show.

Police vehicle No. 8756 had a working dashcam that recorded 124 “event videos” in October 2014 without a single request for maintenance that month.

But on the night of Laquan's shooting, the vehicle assigned to Arturo Bacerra and Leticia Valez reportedly had a “power issue” and the dashcam was “not engaged.”

It wasn’t until Nov. 23 that a repair request was issued for that squad car’s dashcam. Less than two weeks later, technicians reported, “no problems found,” police records show.

No microphones

Between Sept. 1, 2014, and July 16, 2015, maintenance technicians assigned to troubleshoot and repair dashcam systems reported 90 incidents where no microphones were found in squad cars, according to police logs.

Another 13 inspections during that period turned up only one microphone in squad cars that were supposed to be equipped with two audio recording devices, according to the logs.

On 30 occasions, technicians who downloaded dashcam videos found evidence that audio recording systems either had not been activated or were “intentionally defeated” by police personnel, the records show.

It wasn’t until the absence of sound on the videos from Laquan's shooting that problems with dashcam systems came to light.

Police officials quickly placed the blame on officers and shift supervisors responsible for making sure dashcam systems work properly before officers go on patrol.

In December, interim Police Supt. John Escalante warned the rank and file that they would be disciplined for failing to follow proper dashcam protocol. Weeks later, he followed through by hitting some officers and supervisors with formal reprimands and up-to-three-day suspensions.

“To boil this down, the Police Department will not tolerate officers maliciously destructing equipment,” police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said.

“Supt. Escalante sent a very clear message and has held people accountable. And since we took that corrective action, we have seen a more than 70 percent increase in the amount of [video] uploads at the end of each tour … and that is being audited weekly with reports sent to the superintendent.”

Fraternal Order of Police President Dean Angelo has called Escalante’s punishment of the rank and file over dashcam video disrepair an attempt to deflect blame away from the Police Department and City Hall.

“How they determine that it’s purposely caused damages, I’d like to know,” Angelo said last month. “How they can figure out what is mechanical or what is human error, I’d like to know.”



The link above shows the CPD repair logs if anyone is interested.


So this is happening in Chicago, which means it likely is happening elsewhere in the country.

Would it be inappropriate to give officers caught intentionally destroying department property the same criminal charges as a civilian destroying department property? A 1-3 day suspension for tampering with equipment and potentially obfuscating criminal behavior seems like less then even a slap on the wrist. More like a tickle.

   
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I'm generally found taking our friends in blue side in most things that come up. But I also firmly believe that good documentation will clear 90% of the crap that surfaces for cops and the only way for that to work is for the equipment to work. They should have heavy penalties for breakage or consistent damage to observational equipment.

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Why make the state pay when it can push the fiscal burden to the people it arrests? That would leave expert witnesses without a job. Are you against jobs?

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If "broken" body/dash cam and mic invalidated any tickets/crimes booked you would soon see camera faults all but vanish

   
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 SilverMK2 wrote:
If "broken" body/dash cam and mic invalidated any tickets/crimes booked you would soon see camera faults all but vanish


Which, let's be honest, at this point a lot of the American public's faith in police is crumbling, if not shattered in some communities. Having convictions invalidated if tampering with police equipment is found might not be the worst idea. The police simply can't be trusted at their word any more, and if they are going to break the toys tax payers give them in order to try and keep them honest, well...
   
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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Having convictions invalidated if tampering with police equipment is found might not be the worst idea.


But that generally requires an expert witness, which requires the defendant to lay out funds in order to hire said person.

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 dogma wrote:
 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Having convictions invalidated if tampering with police equipment is found might not be the worst idea.


But that generally requires an expert witness, which requires the defendant to lay out funds in order to hire said person.


Our criminal justice system sucks, News at 11!

I am not sure what your angle is here.



   
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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
So this is happening in Chicago, which means it likely is happening elsewhere in the country.

But not everywhere. There are far too many youtube videos of police dashcams with audio to make this out to be a nationwide problem without doing an actual study to see if/how pervasive the problem is.


 
   
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 Breotan wrote:
 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
So this is happening in Chicago, which means it likely is happening elsewhere in the country.

But not everywhere. There are far too many youtube videos of police dashcams with audio to make this out to be a nationwide problem without doing an actual study to see if/how pervasive the problem is.



Yes, more information is needed to understand how pervasive this practice is. However, it seems naive given the events of the last few years involving police corruption, mishandling of evidence, and out right lying in regards to officer involved shootings to think this is ONLY happening in Chicago.



   
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If the dash cam doesn't work send them out on foot with body cams

but make them do the same amount of miles as they'd do in a squad car

the microphones would start working properly almost instantly

 
   
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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

I am not sure what your angle is here.


Are you postulating that police departments should retain expert witnesses on staff? Because I don't think that would solve anything, as they would necessarily be behind the blue wall of silence.

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 dogma wrote:
 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

I am not sure what your angle is here.


Are you postulating that police departments should retain expert witnesses on staff? Because I don't think that would solve anything, as they would necessarily be behind the blue wall of silence.


I honestly don't know what the feth you are even talking about at this point.

I agreed with Silver that if police are sabotaging their body/dash cams that any convictions those officers made should be overturned. Then you chimed in with your expert witness crap. So I am not postulating anything, more just trying to keep up with your word salad.

   
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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

I honestly don't know what the feth you are even talking about at this point.

I agreed with Silver that if police are sabotaging their body/dash cams that any convictions those officers made should be overturned. Then you chimed in with your expert witness crap. So I am not postulating anything, more just trying to keep up with your word salad.


If you don't know what an expert witness is, then you really can't hold an opinion. An expert witness is required to determine when a piece of forensic gear (dash cam, body cam, car mic, body mic, PBT, breathalyzer, etc.) is broken.

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You'd need the experts to determine why, not if/when in these cases, I would think.

And even then, at trial, it might not matter. Depending on the case, the fact that the device isn't recording sound might be enough to establish reasonable doubt, regardless of whether it's a faulty device or if the cop snapped the mike off.
   
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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
You'd need the experts to determine why, not if/when in these cases, I would think.

And even then, at trial, it might not matter. Depending on the case, the fact that the device isn't recording sound might be enough to establish reasonable doubt, regardless of whether it's a faulty device or if the cop snapped the mike off.


It would be a faulty device in either case, and an expert witness is required to make that determination. In a defense the witness is basically overruling whatever the cop says. Forcing the police to maintain expert witnesses on staff just thickens the blue wall. I mean, as it is lots of the expert witnesses were cops at one point.

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 dogma wrote:
 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

I honestly don't know what the feth you are even talking about at this point.

I agreed with Silver that if police are sabotaging their body/dash cams that any convictions those officers made should be overturned. Then you chimed in with your expert witness crap. So I am not postulating anything, more just trying to keep up with your word salad.


If you don't know what an expert witness is, then you really can't hold an opinion. An expert witness is required to determine when a piece of forensic gear (dash cam, body cam, car mic, body mic, PBT, breathalyzer, etc.) is broken.


I am quite aware of what an expert witness is, I am not clear as to what your point is or what your overall argument is.

An independent expert witnesses could be retained by the defense in order to prove tampering occurred. An independent expert outside of the police department, unless you are suggesting that ALL expert witnesses are behind the blue wall.

Yes, it would cost the defendant money but isn't that already occurring if the defendant was charged with a crime and is, you know, fighting the charge in court?

I still fail to see what your point is.

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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
 dogma wrote:
 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

I honestly don't know what the feth you are even talking about at this point.

I agreed with Silver that if police are sabotaging their body/dash cams that any convictions those officers made should be overturned. Then you chimed in with your expert witness crap. So I am not postulating anything, more just trying to keep up with your word salad.


If you don't know what an expert witness is, then you really can't hold an opinion. An expert witness is required to determine when a piece of forensic gear (dash cam, body cam, car mic, body mic, PBT, breathalyzer, etc.) is broken.


I am quite aware of what an expert witness is, I am not clear as to what your point is or what your overall argument is.

An independent expert witnesses could be retained by the defense in order to prove tampering occurred. An independent expert outside of the police department, unless you are suggesting that ALL expert witnesses are behind the blue wall.

Yes, it would cost the defendant money but isn't that already occurring if the defendant was charged with a crime and is, you know, fighting the charge in court?

I still fail to see what your point is.


I think one of dogmas points is that, most people that would be in need of a defense "expert witness " can't afford one, evn if they wanted to use one. If however they could afford one, the prosecution/ PD could be forced to retain expert witnesses to counter the hypothetical increased need to counter defense related expert witnesses. If they are retained by PD than they would be motivated to protect said PD.

I think that's what he is getting at?

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Or they could just use the internal documents that are now public that say "this piece of equipment was tampered with"?
   
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And by the way, I'm not surprised at all to hear this. And of course this
Is happening in other cities.

We just need t collectively keep putting pressure on our local PD to clean up their acts. One of the better uses and benefits of YouTube I my opinion. Never would have guessed YouTube would have been able to have such a positive impact on our society.
   
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 generalgrog wrote:
And by the way, I'm not surprised at all to hear this. And of course this
Is happening in other cities.

We just need t collectively keep putting pressure on our local PD to clean up their acts. One of the better uses and benefits of YouTube I my opinion. Never would have guessed YouTube would have been able to have such a positive impact on our society.


Copwatch is really a good movement IMO, but people doing activities like that also have a habit of crossing the line at times. Recording cops is fine and I have no problem with that, but a lot of videos end up having the person recording yelling at the cops, cussing at them, and maybe getting just a bit too close to the action.

Sovereign Citizens recording their own interactions with the evil police never fail to disappoint though.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
Or they could just use the internal documents that are now public that say "this piece of equipment was tampered with"?


It doesn't work that way. Current members of the Force are not regarded as expert witnesses where the Force's equipment is concerned.

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