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I've heard from a Canadian on here that he's an embarrassment and according to a friend he said his Canadian co-workers were embarrassed by the guy. Even a comedy riff station on the radio mentioned him and his weirdness. Something about trying to tie Putin on weirdness.

Anyway from everything I've heard he sounds like a cross between Derek Zoolander, a girl doing duck face bathroom photos and possibly Justin bieber.

I really don't know anything about this guy. Can any of you Canucks let me know more about him?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Trudeau

You can learn unopinionated stuff there. Anything you hear from a Canadian is going to depend largely on his beliefs and his preferred party. This includes myself, so I can't really give you any information more useful than those guys.

How they could be embarrassed about him when our last prime minister was Stephen Harper is wayy beyond me, however.

I'll admit to having a slight uneasy feeling that he'll do something really stupid or embarrassing, but that's probably because he's younger than my father and looks about my age. He's got passion and fire for the job though, and the promised platform was pretty incredible really. Whether it happens or not is always up in the air, but it's nice to know the intention is there.

I think it's far more important that Canadians finally voted very strongly to change our country and embrace progression. Who they put in office isn't as important as the shift in public paradigm that him being given the title represents. In fact it means very little who the figurehead is.

If people want change as strongly as they voted for it in that election, Canada is in a great place and will continue to move forward.

Disclaimer: I didn't vote liberal.

Generally people that cry about JT are just butthurt. Their Glorious Dictator was finally kicked out and now we might have some evidence-based policy.

Guess which religion the more looney tunes far right around my way think he is secretly a member of ? Go on, guess!

 feeder wrote:
Generally people that cry about JT are just butthurt. Their Glorious Dictator was finally kicked out and now we might have some evidence-based policy.

Guess which religion the more looney tunes far right around my way think he is secretly a member of ? Go on, guess!

Zorostracism?

Take this test,

Who said it? The canadian prime minister or derek zoolander


https://www.boombox.com/c/quiz/103221/90e0ba41-2c4a-4cc2-b7b6-ff5363593693

 feeder wrote:
Generally people that cry about JT are just butthurt. Their Glorious Dictator was finally kicked out and now we might have some evidence-based policy.

Guess which religion the more looney tunes far right around my way think he is secretly a member of ? Go on, guess!

Gnosticism?

He's the type of leader who thinks "It's [the current year]!" is a good argument for whatever he wants to push.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Trudeau

You can learn unopinionated stuff there.

Wikipedia. Unopinionated.

AHHAHAHAAHHA!

 feeder wrote:
Generally people that cry about JT are just butthurt. Their Glorious Dictator was finally kicked out and now we might have some evidence-based policy.

Guess which religion the more looney tunes far right around my way think he is secretly a member of ? Go on, guess!

Muslim? Muslim conspiracies seem to be all the rage right now. Or maybe a Jew, if they are the more traditional sort. And if they are the religious sort of right-winger, it might be a satanist. Or maybe they are the weird kind of far-righter, then it might be lizardman or alien or something even funnier. So many possibilities!

 feeder wrote:
Generally people that cry about JT are just butthurt. Their Glorious Dictator was finally kicked out and now we might have some evidence-based policy.

Guess which religion the more looney tunes far right around my way think he is secretly a member of ? Go on, guess!

Yeah, because forcing through changes to our entire voting system without holding any kind of referendum or public polls or anything of the sort is totally democratic!


A lot of Canadians are embarrassed because he's a joke... Actions such as pulling our CF-18's from the fight against Islamic State, while every one of our allies are beefing up their commitments. (over 70% of all Canadians actually want our jets to stay in the fight, but nope, we can't be seen as filthy warmongerers when it's so much easier to sit on the sidelines and play ineffectual humanitarian!)

His only actions thus far on the world stage have been to confirm he's clueless about Canada's economy, while taking as many selfies as possible.

Most of all, a lot of people are terrified about the fact he actually believes that running huge deficits is a good thing, (and right now, we're talking at least 20 billion in the upcoming budget - though don't be surprised when the actual budget will top closer to 30!), and that bigger government is always better. (hint, it's not, it just sucks away even more tax dollars)

Add to this that we have no clue what he intends to pull with his promised 'Carbon Pricing scheme' (aka: a fancy name for a new tax, because it most certainly will NOT be revenue neutral!)

And that his climate policies are cut from the same cloth as Nanny Wynne - the single worst Provincial Premier in Canadian history, who's government has managed in 14 years to turn the country's economic engine into a near bankrupt 'have-not' province.
Here in Ontario, we pay among the highest energy costs in all of North ****ing America! And yet, we produce so much energy, that we have to pay other provinces & states to take the excess off our hands!
Any why is this? So-called 'Green Energy'. Wind turbines & solar farms that produce a paltry 2-3% of our power, and yet costs us hundreds of millions of dollars in moronic contracts and failed initiatives. And Trudurp has touted us as the way forward, despite the fact that a record number of Ontarians are now considered to live in 'energy poverty'. (hey there Alberta - hope you enjoy the fact that your NDP idiots with the support of the PM are going to roll out their own version of our clusterfeth! )


Anyone who believes in fiscal responsibility by governments is simply crying right now, because the Lieberal Pain Train is back on the tracks.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 feeder wrote:
Generally people that cry about JT are just butthurt. Their Glorious Dictator was finally kicked out and now we might have some evidence-based policy.

Guess which religion the more looney tunes far right around my way think he is secretly a member of ? Go on, guess!

Yeah, because forcing through changes to our entire voting system without holding any kind of referendum or public polls or anything of the sort is totally democratic!


A lot of Canadians are embarrassed because he's a joke... Actions such as pulling our CF-18's from the fight against Islamic State, while every one of our allies are beefing up their commitments. (over 70% of all Canadians actually want our jets to stay in the fight, but nope, we can't be seen as filthy warmongerers when it's so much easier to sit on the sidelines and play ineffectual humanitarian!)

His only actions thus far on the world stage have been to confirm he's clueless about Canada's economy, while taking as many selfies as possible.

Most of all, a lot of people are terrified about the fact he actually believes that running huge deficits is a good thing, (and right now, we're talking at least 20 billion in the upcoming budget - though don't be surprised when the actual budget will top closer to 30!), and that bigger government is always better. (hint, it's not, it just sucks away even more tax dollars)

Add to this that we have no clue what he intends to pull with his promised 'Carbon Pricing scheme' (aka: a fancy name for a new tax, because it most certainly will NOT be revenue neutral!)

And that his climate policies are cut from the same cloth as Nanny Wynne - the single worst Provincial Premier in Canadian history, who's government has managed in 14 years to turn the country's economic engine into a near bankrupt 'have-not' province.
Here in Ontario, we pay among the highest energy costs in all of North ****ing America! And yet, we produce so much energy, that we have to pay other provinces & states to take the excess off our hands!
Any why is this? So-called 'Green Energy'. Wind turbines & solar farms that produce a paltry 2-3% of our power, and yet costs us hundreds of millions of dollars in moronic contracts and failed initiatives. And Trudurp has touted us as the way forward, despite the fact that a record number of Ontarians are now considered to live in 'energy poverty'. (hey there Alberta - hope you enjoy the fact that your NDP idiots with the support of the PM are going to roll out their own version of our clusterfeth! )


Anyone who believes in fiscal responsibility by governments is simply crying right now, because the Lieberal Pain Train is back on the tracks.

Please remember that most (all?) of the above issues were part of his election platform, so yeah, totally undemocratic.

It is completely undemocratic to force through changes to the entire way we select & vote in our government. But then, doing just such a thing shouldn't come as a surprise, considering that he's publically stated how he admires China's basic dictatorship.

It's also completely fine for a politician to turn around and change their mind about campaign promises too, especially when you have almost unanimous support of the entire country screaming at you to do so!!
Almost 75% of all Canadians fully support the PM breaking his promise to pull our jets out of the fight! Even god damned Quebec is giving a majority support to the bombing campaign, and want our military to continue playing a combat role in the effort to wipe these gakkers from the face of the Earth.
Blindly saying, "nope, I promised to pull our jets out because this is a fight I don't think we should be in because I'm an idiot", when you have the populace saying, "we'll forgive you - we believe we're doing the right thing so please continue our commitment", IS being a control freak dictator!

Hell, you can tell that even our Defense Minister is ashamed of having to continually try and justify the sheer stupidity of the PM's decision, as every time he's asked about it, he can't get away from the cameras fast enough!

Iron_Captain wrote:

 feeder wrote:
Generally people that cry about JT are just butthurt. Their Glorious Dictator was finally kicked out and now we might have some evidence-based policy.

Guess which religion the more looney tunes far right around my way think he is secretly a member of ? Go on, guess!

Muslim? Muslim conspiracies seem to be all the rage right now. Or maybe a Jew, if they are the more traditional sort. And if they are the religious sort of right-winger, it might be a satanist. Or maybe they are the weird kind of far-righter, then it might be lizardman or alien or something even funnier. So many possibilities!

Right on the first try! It's McCarthyism cut & paste with muslim replacing commie. It's pants-on-head stupid.

Experiment 626 wrote:It is completely undemocratic to force through changes to the entire way we select & vote in our government. But then, doing just such a thing shouldn't come as a surprise, considering that he's publically stated how he admires China's basic dictatorship.

It's also completely fine for a politician to turn around and change their mind about campaign promises too, especially when you have almost unanimous support of the entire country screaming at you to do so!!
Almost 75% of all Canadians fully support the PM breaking his promise to pull our jets out of the fight! Even god damned Quebec is giving a majority support to the bombing campaign, and want our military to continue playing a combat role in the effort to wipe these gakkers from the face of the Earth.
Blindly saying, "nope, I promised to pull our jets out because this is a fight I don't think we should be in because I'm an idiot", when you have the populace saying, "we'll forgive you - we believe we're doing the right thing so please continue our commitment", IS being a control freak dictator!

Hell, you can tell that even our Defense Minister is ashamed of having to continually try and justify the sheer stupidity of the PM's decision, as every time he's asked about it, he can't get away from the cameras fast enough!

I've got a sneaky suspicion that you aren't a fan of JT. Do you have a better option?

I'm not really behind him either, but our last election gave us 2 (3?) not great choices and a proven sociopath that had demonstrated clearly that he had to go.

I don't know much about Ontario politics, but don't forget there is a disconnect between federal and provincial parties. Out here, our BC Libs are basically federal Cons.

Harper won the previous election with just over 41% of the popular vote, which is (shockingly I know), a better approval than Trudeau just won with only 39.5%. I know it's kool to hate on him and all, but overall he was an excellent PM, and really brought Canada to the forefront as a leader on the world stage.
Sure he ruled his party with an iron fist, but as a leader of a political party in a system such as ours, you need to have a ruthless side to keep the troops in line, since everyone below you is equally in part just waiting for you to screw up so they can usurp your job.

And yes, while there's a disconnect between federal & provincial leadership, Harper at least had the balls to stand up to stupid gaks like the Ontario McWynnty's & (would have) the Notely NDP crapshoot.
Trudurp is going to fall hand-in-hand with some of the very worst leaders our country has ever seen.

So you proudly wave the blue flag, eh? The lies about balancing budgets, the burning of libraries, muzzling of scientists, wholesale abandonment of the environment, contempt of parliament, enacting idealogue policy despite all evidence to the contrary and just plain creepiness doesn't bother you?

As long as we all got our jerbs to go to, that's all that counts in a PM, I guess.

Edit: And if we're going to talk provincial politics, the provincial Cons ran an oil booming Alberta for 40 freaking years but went into a major recession literally the day oil prices dropped. Fiscal responsibility, suuuuuuuure.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 feeder wrote:
Generally people that cry about JT are just butthurt. Their Glorious Dictator was finally kicked out and now we might have some evidence-based policy.

Guess which religion the more looney tunes far right around my way think he is secretly a member of ? Go on, guess!

Yeah, because forcing through changes to our entire voting system without holding any kind of referendum or public polls or anything of the sort is totally democratic!


A lot of Canadians are embarrassed because he's a joke... Actions such as pulling our CF-18's from the fight against Islamic State, while every one of our allies are beefing up their commitments. (over 70% of all Canadians actually want our jets to stay in the fight, but nope, we can't be seen as filthy warmongerers when it's so much easier to sit on the sidelines and play ineffectual humanitarian!)

His only actions thus far on the world stage have been to confirm he's clueless about Canada's economy, while taking as many selfies as possible.

Most of all, a lot of people are terrified about the fact he actually believes that running huge deficits is a good thing, (and right now, we're talking at least 20 billion in the upcoming budget - though don't be surprised when the actual budget will top closer to 30!), and that bigger government is always better. (hint, it's not, it just sucks away even more tax dollars)

Add to this that we have no clue what he intends to pull with his promised 'Carbon Pricing scheme' (aka: a fancy name for a new tax, because it most certainly will NOT be revenue neutral!)

And that his climate policies are cut from the same cloth as Nanny Wynne - the single worst Provincial Premier in Canadian history, who's government has managed in 14 years to turn the country's economic engine into a near bankrupt 'have-not' province.
Here in Ontario, we pay among the highest energy costs in all of North ****ing America! And yet, we produce so much energy, that we have to pay other provinces & states to take the excess off our hands!
Any why is this? So-called 'Green Energy'. Wind turbines & solar farms that produce a paltry 2-3% of our power, and yet costs us hundreds of millions of dollars in moronic contracts and failed initiatives. And Trudurp has touted us as the way forward, despite the fact that a record number of Ontarians are now considered to live in 'energy poverty'. (hey there Alberta - hope you enjoy the fact that your NDP idiots with the support of the PM are going to roll out their own version of our clusterfeth! )


Anyone who believes in fiscal responsibility by governments is simply crying right now, because the Lieberal Pain Train is back on the tracks.

You know some days I actually imagine you'd fit better as an American than a Canadian. Then again I feel similarly about HBMC to his respective country so that's an interesting observation.

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I will agree on the subject of green energy. If it's green and effective then fine whatever. That said if you have a gajillion, quintillion gallons of oil in your lands why use other resources? I know some hate on the usa and Russia for oil use but I mean we have a crap ton more of it and the price isn't as insanely high for most of us (sometimes certain ways make sense to their home countries). Nuclear energy is still best if handled correctly (which it seems to generally be) but if you have a lot of oil why not make use out of it? Just plain makes no sense to not use it to boost the economy. That and the fact Michigan and Ontario should probably have vast resources. I could only imagine how many resources Canada has. You don't even live on most of your land. I mean sure ruining the environment sucks but you can always put an upper limit on how much environmental tampering you do for economic and resource benefit.

More on the subject of energy is one time in my physics class the teacher gave us various info about all types of energy. Apparently nuclear energy is much safer than we treat it. The Chernobyl disaster wasn't even an explosion but rather more of nuclear waste exploding out an explosion caused by pressure issues (so a pressure explosion and not a nuclear one) due to a bunch of idiotic handling of the plant. Consider that we almost never have nuclear accidents from power plants as well. I think part of the point as well is that all energy production has negatives and positives. You get energy but with wind turbines the more you have in a field the more the wind slows down to nothing at the farthest ones. Also wind turbines kill birds. Also check at the cost per kilowatt made and you will see some of these cost an insane amount or are unreliable. It honestly seems like gas and even better nuclear power is much better. Nuclear gives less pollution (even if there is nuclear waste).

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Anyway I'm don't know all the details on the Canadian Prime Minister. The only entertaining thing I heard is that he was like Derek Zoolander and that amuses me. Perhaps it's better if I stay out of the politics of a land that I don't live in. I'm sure people would normally prefer foreigners not to dabble in their politics anyway. Thing is with massive countries like the USA or china you don't get that luxury since other countries' fates are tied to your own. While I'd probably vote for a republican candidate myself in the usa (though I should really check the records of the politicians and voting platforms) I find myself just as uncomfortable about Donald Trump as most moderate and even more conservative republicans.

He is our bush or Trump.

My condolences then. Do you mean the upcoming Jeb Bush or George W. Bush? I don't know enough about Jeb. Personally I think George W. got a bad rep that wasn't completely deserved. Can't imagine dealing with 9/11 was easy for anybody much less getting the news of it when doing PR with children (reading a book to them)? Obama in my eyes deserves more crap given what happened to Bush. Seriously he won a Nobel Peace Prize in the hopes of not declaring a war that he went on to declare anyway. What a joke.

 feeder wrote:
So you proudly wave the blue flag, eh? The lies about balancing budgets, the burning of libraries, muzzling of scientists, wholesale abandonment of the environment, contempt of parliament, enacting idealogue policy despite all evidence to the contrary and just plain creepiness doesn't bother you?

As long as we all got our jerbs to go to, that's all that counts in a PM, I guess.

Edit: And if we're going to talk provincial politics, the provincial Cons ran an oil booming Alberta for 40 freaking years but went into a major recession literally the day oil prices dropped. Fiscal responsibility, suuuuuuuure.

Oil prices have been falling for about 20 months at this point. I think you're reading too many gleeful headlines about Alberta not being diversified enough (imagine having 7% of our workforce tied to one industry...the horror).

The current narrative is that the Liberals are going to de-politicize the pipeline process, but the Cons really didn't make anything happen. As soon as pushback happened they backed right off any of the multiple options.

On the other hand the flak for pulling back the bombing commitment is a little silly as we are increasing the number of boots on the ground.

The biggest legacy of Harpers government is probably the rise of US style partisan politics.

Trudeau is relatively young and uses social media, that's going to leave him open to nonsense. Comparisons with Trump and Bush are...bizarre.
I'm looking forward to seeing what happens, democratic change is good.