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The reason for the question is that I love the model and want to use it for my fists. However I like to keep my list fluffy, and if the EC is not something used then I'll have to use the model as a CQC captain or chapter champion.

Thanks in advance!

That is a very nice model. I've considered getting it just to use as a "Counts As X".

the EC is templar specific, though I think he would make a really good captain/ command squad champion model.

Emperor's Champion is chapter specific yes, but I wouldn't have a go if you used one in a game. It's too much of an awesome model.

In older fluff, I think it was mentioned that other chapters sometimes adopted the practice. It would not be much of a stretch for any of the sons of Dorn to field one.

That said, mechanically, he’s a BT special character, so you’d have to field him using different rules. Not that hard, as he’s a guy in PA with a sword.

Yep, in 3rd edition the Emperor's Champion could be found among all Chapters that originated from the Imperial Fists legion. They were just more common among the Templars.

"Almost all Chapters of Space Marines have had Emperor's Champions of their own at one time or another, especially during the period following the Horus Heresy. Although the practice is much less common in the 41st millennium, there are still several Chapters that have an Emperor's Champion, especially among the First and Second Founding Chapters whose history dates back to he dark days of the Heresy." ~ Chapter Approved 2003, page 76

Upon the eve of glorious battle, it is customary amongst the Imperial Fists and their successors, most notably the Black Templar Chapter, for one among their number to be granted the singular and majestic honour of becoming the Champion of the Emperor. The battle-brethren gather together in prayer to the Emperor and their Primarch, Rogal Dorn. Ecstatic vision will come over one of the assembled brethren and they will be lead away by the Company Chaplain to receive the revered vestments of the Champion of the Emperor - the Black Sword, the Armor of Faith, and the other numerous accoutrements of the position. <more snipped>

Codex Space Marine, 3rd edition c1998

In any vanilla chapter you can use him as: Captain with Relic Blade or Chapter Champion.

In GKs: Brotherhood Champion (which is how I use him)

Sweet! I only play within a local group so I'm not too bothered if technically isn't legal to play him in a fists list, it's more my pedantic adherence to the fluff getting in the way as usual.

Final question: Would each chapter give their EC black armour or is it just because the model is a BT character? IIRC there is a model of sigismund wearing yellow armour?

 hippyjr wrote:
Sweet! I only play within a local group so I'm not too bothered if technically isn't legal to play him in a fists list, it's more my pedantic adherence to the fluff getting in the way as usual.

Final question: Would each chapter give their EC black armour or is it just because the model is a BT character? IIRC there is a model of sigismund wearing yellow armour?

AFAIK the black comes from the chapter colors, Sigismund was the first champion i think when he was still with Dorn

The black comes from Sigismunds personal heraldry which is why he and the more zealous of the fists became Templars and the black and white colour scheme

 hippyjr wrote:
Sweet! I only play within a local group so I'm not too bothered if technically isn't legal to play him in a fists list, it's more my pedantic adherence to the fluff getting in the way as usual.

If your "technically" not bothered, thats good enough for be a Fist. (well the old, real Fists, anyway) Otherwise you'd be a urrgtramarine.
Think of it like a BA, FT, SS who joins the Death Co. It could happen to anyone of their linage. There could probably be 20 of them as well.

It would be cool if other Imperial Fists chapters could make use of the Emperor's Champion, but it seems like GW has tried to steer the practice to being a Black Templar's only thing. And it is really kinda funny given that the Emperor's Champion model doesn't actually come with any molded Black Templars symbols. They could really have gotten away with saying anyone could take him.

The first model they made did have several maltese crosses sculpted on (on each shoulder and the backpack, as well as smaller ones in other areas).

Pretty sure at least most imperial fists successors have an Emperor's Champion. I remember reading that the Crimson Fists had their own Emperor's Champion armour but lost it when their fortress monastery got destroyed.

There's a Company Champion model in the Space Marine Command Squad box. The Emperor's Champion model is just the Black Templars specific special character version.

 Nevelon wrote:
Upon the eve of glorious battle, it is customary amongst the Imperial Fists and their successors, most notably the Black Templar Chapter, for one among their number to be granted the singular and majestic honour of becoming the Champion of the Emperor. The battle-brethren gather together in prayer to the Emperor and their Primarch, Rogal Dorn. Ecstatic vision will come over one of the assembled brethren and they will be lead away by the Company Chaplain to receive the revered vestments of the Champion of the Emperor - the Black Sword, the Armor of Faith, and the other numerous accoutrements of the position. <more snipped>

Codex Space Marine, 3rd edition c1998

I've always been curious as to that particular explanation - particularly the definition of 'Battle'. Surely they can't mean every single battle or skirmish the Templars take part in because if that were the case, considering the BT could be engaged in tens if not hundreds of campaigns simultaneously and may engage in said campaigns in close succession, there could potentially be hundreds of Emperors Champions in the Chapter and any one point - which would be ridiculous.

@hippyjr - I don't see why the Imperial Fists wouldn't have an Emperor's Champion. At the end of the day, their Primarch was the original Emperors Champion and he bestowed that title on another Imperial Fist - Sigismund. Stands to reason, if anybody has rights to the title it's the Imperial Fists. I've just painted one up in Imperial Fists colours and I can say the model looks just as good in yellow as it does in black. Be sure to post some pics when you get it painted up.

Use him as a Chapter Champion, or take a second detachement of 2 squads led by the EC. Fluffwise say your Chapter Champion is leading a detachment in lieu of a Captain.

 Warpig1815 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Upon the eve of glorious battle, it is customary amongst the Imperial Fists and their successors, most notably the Black Templar Chapter, for one among their number to be granted the singular and majestic honour of becoming the Champion of the Emperor. The battle-brethren gather together in prayer to the Emperor and their Primarch, Rogal Dorn. Ecstatic vision will come over one of the assembled brethren and they will be lead away by the Company Chaplain to receive the revered vestments of the Champion of the Emperor - the Black Sword, the Armor of Faith, and the other numerous accoutrements of the position. <more snipped>

Codex Space Marine, 3rd edition c1998

I've always been curious as to that particular explanation - particularly the definition of 'Battle'. Surely they can't mean every single battle or skirmish the Templars take part in because if that were the case, considering the BT could be engaged in tens if not hundreds of campaigns simultaneously and may engage in said campaigns in close succession, there could potentially be hundreds of Emperors Champions in the Chapter and any one point - which would be ridiculous.

@hippyjr - I don't see why the Imperial Fists wouldn't have an Emperor's Champion. At the end of the day, their Primarch was the original Emperors Champion and he bestowed that title on another Imperial Fist - Sigismund. Stands to reason, if anybody has rights to the title it's the Imperial Fists. I've just painted one up in Imperial Fists colours and I can say the model looks just as good in yellow as it does in black. Be sure to post some pics when you get it painted up.

Not so very long ago, it was rumored that the Black Templars numbered over six thousand Marines, spread across the galaxy in numerous, simultaneous Crusades. Given that, it's not impossible to imagine a few hundred Emperor's Champions running around.

Many people, myself included, slabbed a shield on his left hand and use him as a company champion. He looks to awesome not to.

Put him in a command squad and give him the Relic Blade, it's about the same thing. It's just that with the Black Templar, the guy in the command squad with a relic blade was only given a relic blade if he had a vision before the battle. Then they would annoint him with the very rare and unique Black Sword, and give him nicer armor.

But when the Emperors Champ was a complete joke in the previous codex, i would proxy the EC model for the relic blade champ in a basic command squad.

 Icculus wrote:
Put him in a command squad and give him the Relic Blade, it's about the same thing. It's just that with the Black Templar, the guy in the command squad with a relic blade was only given a relic blade if he had a vision before the battle. Then they would annoint him with the very rare and unique Black Sword, and give him nicer armor.

But when the Emperors Champ was a complete joke in the previous codex, i would proxy the EC model for the relic blade champ in a basic command squad.

Well Command Squad can't get a relic blade, only Honour Guard. Even then, he can get a thunderhammer, so you might as well go for the Str 8 AP 2 seeing as he's going to be challenging.
The EC in this codex is actually quite decent for low level casual games. He can also be proxied as an Artificer Armour or Armour Indomitus model, or a Burning Blade, or a Relic Blade Captain. Or a combination of. Ie, Artificer Armour and Burning Blade.

The miniature bears no BT markings. I used it as a Chapter Champion.

 TheCrusadeSmurf wrote:
The miniature bears no BT markings. I used it as a Chapter Champion.

Yeah my plan is to either use the gorgeous, gorgeous model as chapter champion or captain with any sword weapon... It's just too good not to use IMO