Curse of the Wulfen novel - Spoilers (I guess)

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**dusara217**

That smells like a big, smelly pile of bad fluff.

**dusara217**

Da Butcha wrote:
As far as I can remember, ALL of the recent (like last 5 years) fiction for the 41st millennium Space Wolves (other than the limited stuff which I haven't been able to read) has had an undercurrent of tension between the Wolves and the organizations of the Imperium. I don't like the idea of "THE END TIMES" very much*, but GW has done a good job of building a plausible dynamic tension between the Space Wolves as "Heroes of the Imperium" and "Dangerously Free-Minded Warriors Touched By Chaos".

Spoiler:

Stormcaller continued the story of a pack with a returning member of the Deathwatch and a nascent psyker touched by Chaos. It had a conflict with an Ecclesiastical authority that escalated into open conflict, and maintained a story with a shadowy faction manipulating the deaths of Space Wolves and a series of deployments that strained them to their limits (and sounded a lot like the shadowy manipulation of the Celestial Lions). The story (can't remember the name) that featured the Wulfen had them being manipulated into attacking loyalist marines in self-defense, all as part of being the pawns of another.

I feel like they have been trying to build up for a confrontation between the Wolves and the greater Imperium ever since the novel that explored the first Armageddon war (which also put the Grey Knights in a difficult position between the dictates of the Inquisition and the strongly independent decisions of Logan Grimnar). I hope they don't do something rash and stupid (like an actual End Times), but I do like the fact that they've been ratcheting up the tension in multiple books by multiple authors for years.

*I hate the "End Times" for the same reason that I would hate a World War I novel where the defeat of the Germans ended all militarism everywhere on earth, forever. Wells called it "the war to end all war", and heck, he may have believed that at one point, but that was what he called it, not what it actually was. It's fine for the despairing citizens of the Imperium to believe that they are living in the End Times, but it smacks of putting the cart before the horse to then take that phrase and actually run things that way. Of course, I couldn't believe that anyone would have blown up the Old World either, so my meter of rational decisionmaking is not GW calibrated, obviously.

I Really hope that it turns out to be Magnus's shadow organization (Tzeentch, and all that), which turns out to be the Alpha Legion, which turned out to be Alpharius, which turned out to be Magnus in disguise! The Space Wolves' enemies are Tzeentchian Traitors, after all, might as well make their destruction Tzeentchian.

**dusara217**

I refuse to believe that the Space Wolves, who have the equivalent of a Segmentum Battlefleet, have lost Void Superiority to a couple of SM Chapters, of all things. Unless, of course, the Space Wolf fleet was actively engaged in several hundred missions across he Galaxy like it always is, in which case the Space Wolves lost their home-planet because they were doing their jobs as SM... Getting attacked for being heretics when they're out purging heretics

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Mr Morden wrote:
dusara217 wrote:
I refuse to believe that the Space Wolves, who have the equivalent of a Segmentum Battlefleet, have lost Void Superiority to a couple of SM Chapters, of all things. Unless, of course, the Space Wolf fleet was actively engaged in several hundred missions across he Galaxy like it always is, in which case the Space Wolves lost their home-planet because they were doing their jobs as SM... Getting attacked for being heretics when they're out purging heretics

They also have several Ramalies class starforts..........yeah really.

If the plot needs them to loose void superiroity despite thier incredably huge void resources - they will. (Or suddenly they never had them just five ships and the numbers in the last codex were wrong)

(i can never get the spellchecker to work on this computer)

Well, clearly, said starforts were out assisting the Plothole Crusades of the Plothole Star Cluster,

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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
KingmanHighborn wrote:

Can't blame them. The wolves and every survivor of Armageddon deserves to put a round in a GK's skull. They are traitors and cowards.

The survivors of Armageddon were liabilities. Any one of them be corrupted by Chaos knowingly or unknowingly. It's the big part of the Inquisition. They kill millions to save billions.

I agree completely. The Inquisition is much like an Insurance company,"how many lives do we need to pay to keep from losing all of them?" The issue is, of course, that most people are looking at this from the perspective of a rich man, who doesn't see the point in paying that much money for insurance, when he can just pay it himself, until the day comes that he gets sued for several million dollars, and he goes bankrupt because of his lack of insurance.

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Wyzilla wrote:
dusara217 wrote:
I refuse to believe that the Space Wolves, who have the equivalent of a Segmentum Battlefleet, have lost Void Superiority to a couple of SM Chapters, of all things. Unless, of course, the Space Wolf fleet was actively engaged in several hundred missions across he Galaxy like it always is, in which case the Space Wolves lost their home-planet because they were doing their jobs as SM... Getting attacked for being heretics when they're out purging heretics

No they don't. The Space Wolves Codex gave us a complete number of their ships. It is impressive, but it's not the size of a Segmentum Fleet, and it's horribly outclassed by the Rock (which is powerful enough to fight off an entire legion fleet).

The hyperbole appears to have been lost in translation... the SW fleet might as well have been a Segmentum Battlefleet, as far as SM fleets are concerned, due to the fact that it's several orders of magnitude larger than just about any other SM Fleet. As for the Rock, what evidence do you have that it could fight off a Legion Fleet, of all things, which includes fething Gloriana-class Void Craft. Now, if you, too, were using Hyperbole, what makes you think that the Rock could singlehandedly take on the Space Wolf fleet, which - wow, I just looked back at the 7e SW Codex, and it has half the amount of Star Forts, in this one, then it had in 5e :(. Also, the only example of the Rock's power was when it (and an entire fleet of DA ships) tipped the scales of a pitched battle between the IN and the Eldar, in which the Rock took down a Capital Ship and a half dozen escorts, which really isn't any more impressive than another ship of similar renown, such as an Ark Mechanicus or Ramilles Star-Fort.

**dusara217**

Let's look at the facts...
1.) Chaos can corrupt people when they so much as look at it (source: Fear to Tread)
2.) Chaotic Auras are known to cause people to instantaneously turn their coats (at least the Auras of the Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes are)
3.) Chaos taint spreads like a virus
4.) The Inquisition knows this
5.) The Inquisition has infinite authority to do whatever it takes to stop chaos taint from spreading

I don't understand the Inquisition hate. How is it bad to kill 10 million people if 10 billion more get to live because of it? How is it bad to kill those same 10 billion if 10 trillion more get to live for it? Perspective, people. Use it.

**dusara217**

Neither Wulfen nor Death Company are strains of Chaos taint. Therefore, neither are a threat. Of course, I'm speaking from the omniscient outsider's POV so...