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I've heard that Eldar is really good right now. I've also heard that blob armies are pretty buff right now. I've always run SM so I'm looking for something a little different. What do y'all think?

Eldar are far and away the better and stronger codex right now. Most every option in their codex is very strong and competitive, unlike entire sections of the Imperial Guard codex (the elite sections are literally all not worth it).

Blobs are buff, but not super competitive in high end/hardcore metas. They can be durable with the luck of correct psychic powers but lack offensive power to do much other than die by the handful against massed enemy shooting. They also require massive amounts of models and lots of buffing characters such as Ministorum Priests and Primaris Psykers/Inquisitors to get the powers required to allow the unit to survive in a meaningful way.

The only benefit the Guard have is they would be battle brothers with your Marine army.

If you're looking for something to be competitive and a stand alone army, the Eldar are where it's at.

Just my thoughts on that. Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Eldar are THE top codex right now. They're extremely points efficient and really have no bad units.

This isn't even close. Eldar are the top codex. Guard needs significant ally and min maxing to be competitively. Eldar can take pretty much any combination of choices from their codex and have a solid list.

Who told you blob armies were good again?

It was just some second hand conversation I heard at my meta haha. I figured Eldar was better, and I was planning on starting a Warhost. I was just looking for an excuse to pull out my old IG army from 4th ed 40k lol

Yeah defo Eldar is better. However a blob of guardsmen behind an aegis with first rank second rank fire decimates hordes.

Eldar are probably better.

Not to say Blob armies are bad, GreenTide was doing quite well in 2015. But in tournaments it's a lot of models to move and you'll probably run out of time for objectives and stuff.

I won all but 2 games in 6th edition with Guard. I've lost/tied all but 1 game in 7th, with Guard.

The game is very different now. Eldar are hands-down the top codex, while the Guard are bottom 1/3 of the power levels.

Eldar by a mile, not even debatable.

IG is a very weak codex right now.

The best "blob" armies are Green Tide Orks + a VSG and Renegades & Heretics with zombie spam + Ordnance Tyrant

Don't forget Necron Warriors 'Silver Tide'

Mass Warriors with 4+ 4+++ and Ghost Arks to revive fallen comrades.

Came into this thread honestly thinking this was a joke.

"What army is better, undisputed best or tied for worst?"

the_scotsman wrote:
Came into this thread honestly thinking this was a joke.

"What army is better, undisputed best or tied for worst?"

I only opened this thread because i thought it was a joke as well. haha

Yeah, I got you guys good. This was totally a joke. Suckers....

 DaemonColin wrote:
Yeah defo Eldar is better. However a blob of guardsmen behind an aegis with first rank second rank fire decimates hordes.

Everyone decimates hordes since 6-th.

 koooaei wrote:

 DaemonColin wrote:
Yeah defo Eldar is better. However a blob of guardsmen behind an aegis with first rank second rank fire decimates hordes.

Everyone decimates hordes since 6-th.

Wait long enough and eventually GW will make rules that cause the hordes to decimate themselves, oh wait we already have that with mob rule

So, I want to make a general point that is relevant to the state of 40k.

Eldar, as a stand alone army, will have a better time in an 1850 ITC/adepticon format tournament than will most non-FW mono-guard armies. Note how many caveats are in there.

40k is not a single source game anymore, so your question "which book is better" doesn't really matter because what you are looking for is the ability to efficiently fulfill certain specific roles. In fact, I am of the opinion that guard offer excellent solutions for bikers and D-spam. While doing so, they are weak to combat, G/MCs, and maelstrom/missions that mean you have to move around.

Therefore, take what's good from the guard book and supplement it with things from the SM book to make a solid army. Bikes + artillery is horrendous to have to deal with. Podding vets and command squads can ruin people's day. Culexus assassins cruising in a vendetta with an ignores cover basilisk in the back can make seer-stars pretty nervous. You have a double D cannon wraith knight? Cool. I have no single models in my entire army upon which I base my strategy. Pick one. Any one. Doesn't matter. I can still win without it.

The minute you curtail the force selection table beyond "bound" you make mono-builds like Eldar and Tau immensely more powerful.

Ether wrote:
So, I want to make a general point that is relevant to the state of 40k.

Eldar, as a stand alone army, will have a better time in an 1850 ITC/adepticon format tournament than will most non-FW mono-guard armies. Note how many caveats are in there.

40k is not a single source game anymore, so your question "which book is better" doesn't really matter because what you are looking for is the ability to efficiently fulfill certain specific roles. In fact, I am of the opinion that guard offer excellent solutions for bikers and D-spam. While doing so, they are weak to combat, G/MCs, and maelstrom/missions that mean you have to move around.

Therefore, take what's good from the guard book and supplement it with things from the SM book to make a solid army. Bikes + artillery is horrendous to have to deal with. Podding vets and command squads can ruin people's day. Culexus assassins cruising in a vendetta with an ignores cover basilisk in the back can make seer-stars pretty nervous. You have a double D cannon wraith knight? Cool. I have no single models in my entire army upon which I base my strategy. Pick one. Any one. Doesn't matter. I can still win without it.

The minute you curtail the force selection table beyond "bound" you make mono-builds like Eldar and Tau immensely more powerful.

While this works from gameplay stand point, it's disappointing that any army is forced to rely on the crutch that is allies. I'm a marine player and I like to ally in guard some times, but I would be very disapointed if I needed allies to make my army work. People want to play IG not codex Armies of the Imperium

Its true Eldar are better overall, but it is also worth noting people tool the meta to counter Eldar as well. IG can exploit this a bit and they have some blob builds that can play competitively.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

While this works from gameplay stand point, it's disappointing that any army is forced to rely on the crutch that is allies. I'm a marine player and I like to ally in guard some times, but I would be very disapointed if I needed allies to make my army work. People want to play IG not codex Armies of the Imperium

Dude I am so on board with you. However, if someone is into the army for the army's sake, then they can make do. I consistently place well in local events running pure IG. It's a local scene, I get it, but I win without NEEDING to take 20 white scars bikers and a conclave. Sure, my list would be stronger with them and I'd certainly fold them in if I were to ever go to a major event with the intent of placing well, but for gaming with my buddies (some of whom play 18+ scat bikes, hornets, a lynx, and a wraith knight or triptide) I can make do with the options in the 'dex.

Not relevant to eldar vs guard mind you. Again, eldar is better if you want to stay mono-army, but it's not like guard are a pinata.

Eldar are significantly better. So be a true Hero of the Imperium and start a Guard Army. The world doesn't need another Eldar player

Hahahaha! This us the funniest question Ive seen on the forums in a long time!.. hahaha.... oh my..... whew.

Gasp....

Oh my goodness

<Wipes tears from eyes>

Whew.

Eldar..........


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GiantAmongMen wrote:
It was just some second hand conversation I heard at my meta haha. I figured Eldar was better, and I was planning on starting a Warhost. I was just looking for an excuse to pull out my old IG army from 4th ed 40k lol

Why on earth would you want to start a Warhost? Please advise.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Who told you blob armies were good again?

Apparently Renegades and Heretics are having really high showings are tournaments. They are a good blob army, arguably the best blob army in the game, much better than AM at least.