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Hive Tyrant, Wings, 2 x TL Brainleech Devourers - 230
Hive Tyrant, Wings, 2 x TL Brainleech Devourers - 230

Tervigon w/thorax upgrade - 205
30 Termagaunts - 120

tyranid prime with miasma cannon - 150

Living artillery node:

3 Warriors, Barbled Strangler - 100
3 Biovores - 120
Exocrine - 170

ideas:

- mawloc/trygon/trygon prime
- attachment of flying hive tyrant + gargoyles (skytyrant or hive vanguard)
- hive guard, zoans in a pod, venomthropes?
- if prime field with termagants?
- hive commander for tervigon outflank

Hi everyone wanted some help as im not sure which direction to go, flyrants are amazing but how many are too many. was hoping to field the prime with the warriors of the living artillery node so i can get the miasma cannon but im not sure i can do that?.. Im trying to get a list going in which my artillery can sit back and shoot whilst the rest of my army pushes up and gets in their faces fast. i really want a competitive list but dont want to do mass fliers. i like the idea fo getting a trygon into the enemy lines whilst the opponent has the flyrants to deal with but keep worrying the trygon will just get put down so fast. also is it worth outflanking the tervigon or leaving it at the back with the artillery node spawning gants? also is skytyrant or hive vanguard a better formation for the flyrant? with the exocrine do i need anymore av, surely an exocrine is more useful then hive guard at the same job. but worried about av14 but i really dont like zoans. i used to use ymgarl stealers but they dont exist now and not sure if its worth using normal stealers with a broodlord. or is outflanking poison hormas better? is a venomthrope worth taking for my node to have a better save or should i take a bastion or aegis defence line or something?

Thanks for taking the time to read this and eagerly await any answers and insight you can give, i really wanna make a competitive nid list.

I dont't play 'nids myself but looking at that list, I think you need a squad of zoans just to bulk out psychic powers a bit - if you don't like the models then try converting them?
I like the idea of the trygon wreaking havoc in the enemy lines, and at the end of the day, even if it does get put down fast, it's a distraction for your enemy, and they have diverted part or all of their army, to deal with that threat.

Flyrants are currently the foundation of a good Nid army so for a bit of a competitive list i would recommend this:

Tyranids 1500pts

Tyranids Hive Fleet Detachment

HQ
Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, 2xTwin-linked Devourers, Wings]
Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, 2xTwin-linked Devourers, Wings]
Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, 2xTwin-linked Devourers, Wings]

Troops
Mucolid
Mucolid
Mucolid

Tyranid: CAD

HQ
Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, 2xTwin-linked Devourers, Wings]
Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, 2xTwin-linked Devourers, Wings]

Elites
Malanthrope

Troops
Mucolid
Mucolid

Heavy Support
Mawloc


The Malanthrope provides cover for those units that start deployed.
You can exchange the Hive Fleet Detachment for one more CAD if you want 1 less Flyrants and take 3 Mawlocs with a Venomthrope instead or something along those lines.

I've heard Nids are the hardest army to make competitive. I'd recommend flyrants too but make sure you don't have too many MC's as you need hordes to soak up fire or vice versa.

ise147 wrote:
Hive Tyrant, Wings, 2 x TL Brainleech Devourers - 230
Hive Tyrant, Wings, 2 x TL Brainleech Devourers - 230

Tervigon w/thorax upgrade - 205
30 Termagaunts - 120

tyranid prime with miasma cannon - 150

Living artillery node:

3 Warriors, Barbled Strangler - 100
3 Biovores - 120
Exocrine - 170

ideas:

- mawloc/trygon/trygon prime
- attachment of flying hive tyrant + gargoyles (skytyrant or hive vanguard)
- hive guard, zoans in a pod, venomthropes?
- if prime field with termagants?
- hive commander for tervigon outflank

Hi everyone wanted some help as im not sure which direction to go, flyrants are amazing but how many are too many. was hoping to field the prime with the warriors of the living artillery node so i can get the miasma cannon but im not sure i can do that?.. Im trying to get a list going in which my artillery can sit back and shoot whilst the rest of my army pushes up and gets in their faces fast. i really want a competitive list but dont want to do mass fliers. i like the idea fo getting a trygon into the enemy lines whilst the opponent has the flyrants to deal with but keep worrying the trygon will just get put down so fast. also is it worth outflanking the tervigon or leaving it at the back with the artillery node spawning gants? also is skytyrant or hive vanguard a better formation for the flyrant? with the exocrine do i need anymore av, surely an exocrine is more useful then hive guard at the same job. but worried about av14 but i really dont like zoans. i used to use ymgarl stealers but they dont exist now and not sure if its worth using normal stealers with a broodlord. or is outflanking poison hormas better? is a venomthrope worth taking for my node to have a better save or should i take a bastion or aegis defence line or something?

Thanks for taking the time to read this and eagerly await any answers and insight you can give, i really wanna make a competitive nid list.

Well, you don't Have to take all Winged Tyrants, but they are the foundation of a competitive list...

Some basic suggestions, one, take a Thorax hive on everyone who can take one (Tyrants, and your Tervigon)

I would lose the Prime and spend the points elsewhere...Two you need some Elites, I suggest two solo Venos, and a Zoey that will give some durable Synapse, and some Shrouding, Three if you want to use a Tervigon, I suggest Hive Commander so you can Outflank it.

Living Artillery is a good Formation, but if you want to use it, I suggest a Venom Cannon (because the Formation gives "pinning" as a special rule) park your second Veno with the formation to greatly increase it's survivability.

Lastly look at adding in some Heavies, I personally really like Mawlocs, and Tyrannofexen. Dakkafexen are good as well, but do best with a "screen" though you can use you Termagants for that if you need to....

Good luck! And welcome to the Hive Mind!

Thanks for the replies but not so sure about the Mawloc I much prefer trygons because if all models aren't destroyed under the template the Mawloc is destroyed. About the prime with a miasma cannon is he allowed to be in a squad with the warrs fr the formation? Also wondering if it is way too much of a point sink for a miasma cannon 150 pts is alot for one weapon since he is gonna sit back and shoot all game. Malanthrope is a great idea. How about the flyrant formations skytyrant swarm or the hive vanguard are they even worth it in competitive play

Actually the Mawloc rolls for a mishap, and a common outcome is bouncing back into reserve.... Mawloc is a love it, or don't model because it is iffy. But it is one of the best models you can field point for point.

The Prime just is not woth the points, for 150 you can get a Dakkafex. (or a Mawloc )

But I would replace it with two Venos, and a Zoey...for 140, and have 10 to spend elsewhere.

thanks for the advice, but surely with the miasma cannon your getting a strong template every turn which is stronger than the mawlocs terror from the deep template, yes the mawloc model is stronger but the prime hiding at the back of the field is less likely to take damage or maybe im being hopeful. still wanna hear peoples thoughts on the hive vanguard and skytyrant formations and if they are useful enough rather then just taking the flyrants alone. also would a spore pod with a dakkafex be better then the second flyrant. im worried if i walk dakkafexes even with a malanthrope/venomthropes they may still get shot down. mucolid spores look nice too but expensive cash wise. what you guys think of putting the miasma on the outflanking terv so it can fire both weapons when it comes in. also wouldnt one zoan be cannon fodder sitting at the back of the board. i think im too out of date with the tyranids of this edition lol i havent played them in a while but i used to take zoeys in a pod but i always preferred hive guard to do the vehicle popping coz the zoeys just died.

Mawlocs are AP2, that is a very rare thing for us Nids. I kind of like SkyTyrant, though if you run one you'll most likely want to kit it for CC. It is a nice way to get a third Tyrant while keeping Objective Secured for your Troops.

When I use a walking MC, I like to build a "Bugstar" of a MC (Dakafex, or Tyrannofex) a screen of Hormagaunts, then toss in a Veno, and a source of Synapse (for example, a Zoey) This gives you a very nice cover save for the Big Bug, and most fire goes at the Big Bug, or the supports, so the Hormies arrive fairly intact.

This gives you lots of options when you arrive, Warp Lance a Transport, use the Gaunts to eat Overwatch, etc.... I often use a Tyrannofex, with Acid spray, and a Thorax hive. Having Two Templates, one with Torrent, the other with Haywire on a 2+ save MC tends to scare the heck out of most anyone. That lets the rest of the swarm get work done without interuptions. A Dakkafex will do just fine as well though. No Haywire, but S9 HOW xD3 can take out most any tin can you find.

You wanted competitive advice and with that in mind you should max out Flyrants and Mawlocs with some cover support (Venom\malanthrope\Void shield) so you don't get shot off the board before taking off with the flyrants . Anything else should be kept to a minimum upgrade wise.

Competively there is no upgrade you can take which will outweigh the price\performance\utilty of more Dev Flyrants or more Mawlocs.
For troops you have the choice between Objective secured Rippers (w deepstrike) and/or cheap Mucolids (buy the cheaper forgeworld meiotic spore mines and mod them). In my view footslogging Nids across the table is not a winning tactic so minimizing that would be good.

But it's all up to what you like, so play a few games with proxies and counts as and see what suits you. Maybe even try the new Deathwatch tyranid formations for 40k.

so after taking in all your advice and alot of thinking on my won part i have came up with these lists for the following brackets, i would still like constructive criticism on the list and advice on the listed possible options for the lists:

Hive Tyrant, Wings, 2 x TL Brainleech Devourers w/thorax upgrade and hive commander - 250

Tervigon w/thorax upgrade - 205
30 Termagaunts - 120
3 Warriors, Venom cannon - 100

3 Biovores - 120
Exocrine - 170

965pts

options: tervigon has miasma (25), exocrine or hive tyrant regeneration(30), extra warrior model(30)
deathspitters for warriors(5), mucolid spores (15)

1000pts





Hive Tyrant, Wings, 2 x TL Brainleech Devourers + hive commander - 240
Hive Tyrant, Wings, 2 x TL Brainleech Devourers - 230

Tervigon - 195
30 Termagaunts - 120
Malanthrope - 65


Living artillery node:

3 Warriors, Venom cannon - 100
3 Biovores - 120
Exocrine - 170

+1 thorax upgrade

1250pts



Same as 1250 list plus:

Mawloc [b]OR Harpy (HVC) 140
sporocyst (upgraded) +1 thorax upgrade OR 2 hive guard - 110

1500pts


there is also options to remove thorax upgrades for mucolid spores and hope opponents allow 5pts over also could give the harpy salvo or spines.

What you guys think and many thanks for your previous advice!!

Looks "playable" it depends on your local "meta" but Thorax hives are usually "mandatory" because they are our only dependable way to damage high AV targets (Haywire )

Otherwise not too bad, and plenty of ways to modify based on experiance.

Looks ok but skip Thorax on the Flyrants, they should not be in melee if you can help it. A Flyrant should always be kitted like this:
Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, 2xTwin-linked Devourers, Wings]
The eGrubs are haywire and is what you use for tougher vehicles\walkers.

Malanthrope is good.

Tervigons could maybe work if you keep them barebones and just spam troops.

Living Artillery node is ok but only if you take the formation and not the models on their own.

Any other flyers besides the flyrant is a waste so put those points in to Mawlocs.


BUT

My advice if you really want lots of ground troops, would be to get the new Deathwatch box and use the Genestealer cult formation together with Flyrants, malanthrope\venomthrope and maybe a mawloc.