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So the Chapter is a non-codex aherant of 13th Founding. The Primarch is unknown. Rumored to be Iron Hands successor or darker rumors Iron Warriors. Chapter has the 10 companies but the second company is completely Tech Marine led and instead of battlebrothers has failed aspirants done up as skitarii esk formations known as Decurions. They are stationed outside the northeastern edge. They specialize Imperial Guard Support missions and xeno anaylsis. They submit the great forge masters to the deathwatch.

Tell me what you guys think. Also if you have suggestions on how to improve it.

Why are Space Marines in a support role to guardsmen? That's not what Space Marines are made to do.

Like Curran said, that's a waste of Astartes resources. There are better sources (like the AdMech itself) for tech/mech support for the IG.

Maybe I should have said it better. I mean they provide squads for special missions and hold key points in seiges that IG can't.

Drakka77 wrote:
Maybe I should have said it better. I mean they provide squads for special missions and hold key points in seiges that IG can't.

That is better. When SM take part in a larger Imperial operation with IG forces, the IG operates in support of the Astartes, not the other way around.
But what is it then exactly that your Chapter specialises in?

The only current suggestion for improvement I can give you is to work it out more. Currently it is very little information.

Drakka77 wrote:
Maybe I should have said it better. I mean they provide squads for special missions and hold key points in seiges that IG can't.

That's a step in the right direction, but you're still needing some tweaks and fixes.

The way it is worded, it seems like your chapter is subservient to Guard regiments. That does not happen. Space Marine chapters are almost completely independent, outside of their gene tithe/inspections, and really only under the authority of Inquisitors or the High Lords of Terra.

That said, Iron Captain is correct, what is missing here are details. What is their specialty? You say "holding points in seiges", so they are a defensive-minded Chapter? How do they do that?

Their mindset is defensive and technology oriented. They have high numbers of Tech-Marines and Imperial machines like predators, storm talons, thunderhawks and the like. Extra long range fire power is favored over the standard bolter, bolters are often modified with special ammo or extended barrels.

That's all just window dressing. Why is the chapter that way? What has driven their mindset to to specialize in range and technology?

Also, what makes them nod Codex-adherent?

I always like these kinds of threads. Unfortunately because I paint a first founding chapter I'm not at liberty to make up fluff for them

So currently you have this:

Geneseed: Rumoured Iron Hands or Loyalist Iron Warriors

Speciality: Defensive/Rearguard Actions, Xenos Extermination, Asset Denial Actions.

Aptitude: Technologically Orientated. Long Range Combat.

Armoury: High Levels of Armour/Aircraft.

So in light of that, questions I would ask are:

1. Fleet Based or do they have a Homeworld - As a Chapter that ostensibly specialises in Sieges and Defensive actions, it seems to me that they would need to be highly mobile to get to where they are needed as quickly as possible.

2. Skitarii - 2nd Company is Techmarine led and composed of Skitarii/Augmented washouts - this deprives them of a full company of Astartes. Would it not be better to have the Skitarii as a Cohort independant of the Chapter - sort of like an auxiliary unit.

3. Numbers of Scouts/Devastators - If the preference is for Long Range combat, then surely the Chapter would have either more scouts or greater numbers of Devastators?

4. Aircraft numbers - If the speciality is defence, then why would they have need of greater numbers of Thunderhawks which are more often utilised as transports rather than pure-bred gunships. Similarly, why would gunships be in high use if the force is primarily a static one?

5. Heraldry - Having a name or colours often shapes the direction in which your Chapter develops. Any ideas?

6. Finally, how do they achieve their Defensive speciality - Firepower? Counter-attacks? Orbital Strikes? Deep-Strikes? All of the afore-mentioned?

Hope this helps

1. So they are planet based though technically they live in a network of void protected tunnels and a space station due to their world being unstable from an attack that left it that way.

2. Partially because that is what makes it not codex adherent. The Tech-Marines earn special honors and titles in this company. These tech-marines are more tactical based than those of the forge.

3.Large numbers of both. And scouts are generally sniper patterned.

4.The gunships provide them a mobile force to add in defense as a ready reserve and as well as providing rapid transportation on a changing battlefield.

5. The Chapters Name is Bloodmoon Hunters. The colors are Wine Red and Hunter Grey Green.

6. Entrenched Long Range Firepower with weapon superiority. Orbital Strikes and Deep Strikes are used to disrupt enemy movements and formation.

@Drakka77

1. So basically they live on an asteroid? That's fairly interesting - how did their planet suffer such grievous damage?

4. Strictly speaking, a defence or siege usually holds a set area of ground and that doesn't change unless the area is broken into. I can appreciate gunships for suppression/raiding missions, but personally I'm still not sold on the large No. of transporters - obviously it's your choice.

5. So what's the link to the Iron Hands/Warriors then? Bloodmoon Hunters sounds like more of a Space Wolves thing going on...

1. I was thinking of orks and their rocks and to many to big ones hit the planet causing catastrophic damage to the surface. It still has atmosphere if you can call it that. Lava and volcanic eruptions everywhere. So ash and debris in the air, making it toxic.

4. Smaller numbers is fine for me. Since it would be for raids and supression large numbers of storm talons and the like than transports.

5. It was more their reliance on technology and the advancement of it. I was also giving them close ties to Adeptus Mechanicus as well as Ordo Xenos.

Well I'm out of suggestions then - seems to me like it's pretty solid stuff

Well thanks dude.

Edit: got suggestions for a shoulder symbol?

That's a touch harder as you'll have a diferent picture of your Chapter in your mind than I do. If it were me, I'd try to keep it simple and avoid anything that would be a hard to replicate across all your minis. In terms of details, I'd want something to represent the 'Bloodmoon' - Possibly a red disk (A Hunter's Moon is always the second full moon after the Autumn Equinox, and as it occurs during summer it may sometimes take on a red tone due to it's proximity to the horizon. Hence the nickname 'Bloodmoon' in American Folklore). Then you may want to allude to the Mechanicum ties - possible a cog motif running around the edge of the disk. Then you'll want a 'Hunter' motif - a sword running vertically down the middle?

TLDR: 3 components, but relatively easy to paint across the board. Basically a black cog, with a red middle and a sword splitting it in two.

That would be my take on the name 'Bloodmoon Hunters'

That sounds like it would look awsome. I didnt really have an idea but what you said I will probably do due to how simple but meaningful it would be.

Happy to help - be sure to post some pics when you get a few painted up.