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The Primarch Angron has a rule allowing him to call and fight several challenges, which reads like this:

Red Sands: In any given turn Angron may call and fight as many Challenges as there are enemy Independent Characters and units in combat with him, up to his current number of attacks. Pull out the challengers and fight them in a sequence as desired by Angron's player during the challenge part of the Fight sub-phase. Angron must divide his attacks between them and must devote at least one attack to each Challenge he fights in.

The rule for refusing challenges reads:
REFUSING A CHALLENGE
Alternatively, you can simply refuse the challenge and choose to have your character slink away with sullied honour but beating heart(s). If you refuse, your opponent gets to nominate one of your characters from those that could have accepted. The chosen model cannot strike blows at all this turn [...]

Imagine the following scenario: Angron is in combat with another Primarch, a Primus Medicae (an IC apotechary) and a unit with a character. Angron calls three challenges, the Primarch and unit character accepts but the Primus refuses (to protect the FnP buff he provides).

Could the Primarch or unit character be elected as the model that no longer gets to strike blows? The reasoning being that all challenges are called at the same time, and thus are accepted/refused at the same time, which in turn means even accepting characters are characters that could accept the challenge (how would they otherwise accept the challenge to begin with?)
   
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TompiQ wrote:
The Primarch Angron has a rule allowing him to call and fight several challenges, which reads like this:

Red Sands: In any given turn Angron may call and fight as many Challenges as there are enemy Independent Characters and units in combat with him, up to his current number of attacks. Pull out the challengers and fight them in a sequence as desired by Angron's player during the challenge part of the Fight sub-phase. Angron must divide his attacks between them and must devote at least one attack to each Challenge he fights in.

The rule for refusing challenges reads:
REFUSING A CHALLENGE
Alternatively, you can simply refuse the challenge and choose to have your character slink away with sullied honour but beating heart(s). If you refuse, your opponent gets to nominate one of your characters from those that could have accepted. The chosen model cannot strike blows at all this turn [...]

Imagine the following scenario: Angron is in combat with another Primarch, a Primus Medicae (an IC apotechary) and a unit with a character. Angron calls three challenges, the Primarch and unit character accepts but the Primus refuses (to protect the FnP buff he provides).

Could the Primarch or unit character be elected as the model that no longer gets to strike blows? The reasoning being that all challenges are called at the same time, and thus are accepted/refused at the same time, which in turn means even accepting characters are characters that could accept the challenge (how would they otherwise accept the challenge to begin with?)


I think its technically legal but shenanigans. The idea is that Angron is dueling all 3. The normal rules are made to envision your character calling to the cowardly (Captain) and making him feel soft, whereas with Angron he's too busy fighting a Primarch and the character to care. I'd say for sake of fairness, only the declining character should suffer.

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 Deadshot wrote:
TompiQ wrote:
The Primarch Angron has a rule allowing him to call and fight several challenges, which reads like this:

Red Sands: In any given turn Angron may call and fight as many Challenges as there are enemy Independent Characters and units in combat with him, up to his current number of attacks. Pull out the challengers and fight them in a sequence as desired by Angron's player during the challenge part of the Fight sub-phase. Angron must divide his attacks between them and must devote at least one attack to each Challenge he fights in.

The rule for refusing challenges reads:
REFUSING A CHALLENGE
Alternatively, you can simply refuse the challenge and choose to have your character slink away with sullied honour but beating heart(s). If you refuse, your opponent gets to nominate one of your characters from those that could have accepted. The chosen model cannot strike blows at all this turn [...]

Imagine the following scenario: Angron is in combat with another Primarch, a Primus Medicae (an IC apotechary) and a unit with a character. Angron calls three challenges, the Primarch and unit character accepts but the Primus refuses (to protect the FnP buff he provides).

Could the Primarch or unit character be elected as the model that no longer gets to strike blows? The reasoning being that all challenges are called at the same time, and thus are accepted/refused at the same time, which in turn means even accepting characters are characters that could accept the challenge (how would they otherwise accept the challenge to begin with?)


I think its technically legal but shenanigans. The idea is that Angron is dueling all 3. The normal rules are made to envision your character calling to the cowardly (Captain) and making him feel soft, whereas with Angron he's too busy fighting a Primarch and the character to care. I'd say for sake of fairness, only the declining character should suffer.


Oh, it's very much shenanigans, but it's more a method to guarantee Angron gets to fight all the duels rather than actually wanting to stop combat characters from fighting.

EDIT - To clarify, I'd explain this to an enemuy BEFORE they decide to accept or refuse, in order to convince them to accept the challenges.

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No, since the primarch and the character accepted the challenge. The medicae would be SoL when it comes to attacks, and I think at most you could nominate a different IC in the unit to come and fight if there was one.

In other words: The 'chosen model' statement in 'refusing a challenge' is the one that refused the challenge, NOT one that accepted the challenge. Beyond that, even from a "have fun in the game/fluff wise" mind set it's pretty stupid. "So, your apothecary sits in the back, but he can swing while your primarch, who rose to the challenge, cannot."

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It depends, is the Medicae operating as their own unit or joined to the other unit?

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"from those that COULD HAVE accepted". The Primarch Accepted.
   
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nosferatu1001 wrote:
"from those that COULD HAVE accepted". The Primarch Accepted.

He accepted one Challenge. Are Characters allowed to accept more than one Challenge? This is not addressed as a Challenge is only allowed once per Combat per the base rules.

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ANgron is allowed to fight more than one challenge - the primarch in question was the non-Angron one

   
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 Charistoph wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
"from those that COULD HAVE accepted". The Primarch Accepted.

He accepted one Challenge. Are Characters allowed to accept more than one Challenge? This is not addressed as a Challenge is only allowed once per Combat per the base rules.


Not sure how this applies to the question.

Nos's answer is correct, the Primarch accepted and cannot be chosen to "not strike blows"
   
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Fragile wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
"from those that COULD HAVE accepted". The Primarch Accepted.

He accepted one Challenge. Are Characters allowed to accept more than one Challenge? This is not addressed as a Challenge is only allowed once per Combat per the base rules.


Not sure how this applies to the question.

Nos's answer is correct, the Primarch accepted and cannot be chosen to "not strike blows"

So are you saying the Primarch accepted all three Challenges?

Edit: So, rereading the OP, I see what you are saying. I was looking more at allowing the Apothecary to escape the Challenge rather than forcing the Primarch out of it. Apologies for the confusion.

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I would agree that while it looks possible only the characters that decline should be punished. I did have him fight a bunch of runtherders once and lose attacks so that was funny. He got confused and managed not to kill all of them instantly. Sadly didn't take any wounds from the gretchin though :(

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