Revenant titan vs Kharn CC rules?

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Slayer le boucher wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
Kharn is another consideration.
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Like i said, Kharn as no consideration or feths to give about anything.

How can you consider someone who doesn't have any considerations to consider?

Nice and fluffy, but sadly not the rules.

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Malathrim wrote:
I disagree that these "other considerations" outright trump Kharn's "always hits on a 2+". I would agree that Forgeworld is truly crappy at writing rules even less consistently worded than normal GW's inconsistently worded rules. Other considerations is much more vague than ALWAYS. There is nothing to "consider" when the word always is used. I would accept the premise of whose turn it is getting to choose but it's certainly not cut and dry that the Revenant just plain wins this argument.

It clearly is. The wraith titan rule covers Kharn as well as any other modifier to hit.

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Lord Krungharr wrote:
It does not clearly do that. If it were clear, then nobody would be arguing over it. The word always means in any event, forever, without exception. The word always has the same implications as the weak passive 'regardless of other considerations'. Are all the pro-Eldar people supporting the damn Titan or what?

Kharn says to his wife, "I love you always." Then he says to his mistress, "I love you regardless of other considerations." Which sounds stronger in that context?

You only hit on a 6 regardless of any other rules.

My rule lets me hit on a 2+.

Easy to see which way is clear. Alot of this discussion is fluff. RAW its clear.

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Naw wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
Naw wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
'Regardless of' has the stronger context in the rules.

Really? Please provide a page number so I can look it up?

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I fail to see how "always hit on 2+" can be ignored by some vocal people here.

Can you show us a page number for 'always'? Yeah, I didn't think so. 'Regardless of other considerations' literally means you ignore any other considerations. That is why 'always' is ignored because that is what the rule tells us in plain English.'

So you have no rules to base this on. You should have said so immediately. Please mark your posts as HIWPI.

So you have no understanding as to how the ruleset works? Restrictions trump permissions.

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There is no need to dice it off. The Titan rule is more specific and applies to Kharn.

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The Titan rule is more specific because it calls out every other ability that can hit it in melee with "other considerations"

That other consideration is any other special rule. Pretty simple.

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Naw wrote:
Always has an implicit permission to.. you know, ALWAYS work.

But let's just agree to disagree and move on.

I can always assault out of a landraider. Except when it comes on from reserves.

Restrictions always trump permissions.