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Hello there,

If you take a titan in a marine army, and your opponent has preferred enemy space marines, does the titan count? and if they can choose what faction they get preferred enemy against, what do they have to claim for titans?

That depends on the titan, but most likely it will be the same faction as the detachment you brought it with. If you are using your SM LoW slot to bring him, yes it is faction SM. If you are bringing an Imp Knight and using one of their detachments, then it has Faction IK.

Trazer985 wrote:
Hello there,

If you take a titan in a marine army, and your opponent has preferred enemy space marines, does the titan count? and if they can choose what faction they get preferred enemy against, what do they have to claim for titans?

If you're taking an Imperial Knight Titan as a Lords of War choice in a Space Marines Faction Detachment, it is Faction (Space Marines). If you're taking it as a Lords of War choice in an Imperial Knights Detachment, it is Faction (Imperial Knights). In other words, it entirely depends on how you're taking the model. Knight Titans can be several different Factions, depending on how they're chosen.

I'll come clean as to my motives.

I'm looking through the FW marine chapter tactics and seeing the star phantoms and red hunters as having some stellar chapter tactics, (once per game you get twin linked on virtually all guns) or once per game you can give X units (X = turn number) a special rule from (interceptor, skyfire, tank hunter, monster hunter etc).

having interceptor on a warhound would be amusing, just put it on turn 2 if you go first, or turn one if they have melta pods, or twin linked for just good old fashioned dakka boost. to your super templates.

I'm already swapping these into my formations (anti air formation with tank hunter/monster hunter or intercept on all guns) but wondered if its a damage upgrade for the overall output, compared to ultramarines. (also optional rerolling deep strike reserves of 1 is really useful).

That would only work if the Titan you want to use has the special rule: Chapter Tactics. I don't know the rules for a WarHound, but something tells me it doesn't have Chapter Tactics.

ah so its space marines but no chapter tactics

need to do this for an SM tank then..

Iron Hands, however...

 raverrn wrote:
Iron Hands, however...

Iron Hands vehicles are those vehicles with the 'Chapter Tactics: Iron Hands' special rule which would just be Dreadnoughts, Ironclad Dreadnoughts and Venerable Dreadnoughts.

 Ghaz wrote:

 raverrn wrote:
Iron Hands, however...

Iron Hands vehicles are those vehicles with the 'Chapter Tactics: Iron Hands' special rule which would just be Dreadnoughts, Ironclad Dreadnoughts and Venerable Dreadnoughts.

Can we not start this again and wait to see if it's addressed in the (allegedly) upcoming FAQ?

What I don't get is people claiming Iron Hands non-Chapter Tactics vehicles get the IWND, but don't think non-Chapter Tactics models from an Imperial Fists chapter benefit from Bolter Drill, despite it saying "all models" for both rules.

 SRSFACE wrote:
What I don't get is people claiming Iron Hands non-Chapter Tactics vehicles get the IWND, but don't think non-Chapter Tactics models from an Imperial Fists chapter benefit from Bolter Drill, despite it saying "all models" for both rules.

I think that's just sort of cherry picking based on how a person thinks the authors intended the rules to work and not how the rules are actually written. GW isn't very good at writing internally consistent and unambiguous rules. They may very well have intended a Predator included in a Space Marines (Iron Hands) Detachment to get the It Will Not Die Special Rule... but didn't actually write the rules to allow that to occur. Currently, only Vehicle models with the Chapter Tactics (Iron Hands) Special Rule would get It Will Not Die. This may very well change in a future FAQ or Errata.

Thing to remember when letting this specific genie out of the bottle is that only Titans that may be taking as a LoW in any IoM army may be taken as your LoW, which are all FW Titans. GW Imperial Knights are their own faction that are only taken in their own faction detachments and formations, with the War Convocation currently the only way to share an other army's special rules with them. FW Knights, however, are a different story due to their ability to be taken as a LoW in any IoM detachment, and all models in a detachment must be the same faction, which means to if your army's special rules effect all models in the army or detachment, those rules will effect your Atrapos or Acheron or Lancer.

SJ

Currently (strict RAW), you cannot include any vehicles in a Space Marine army with the exception of Dreadnoughts, as all models must be from the same chapter.

Of course we can all agree that that is just silly, and don't play that way.

 Happyjew wrote:
Currently (strict RAW), you cannot include any vehicles in a Space Marine army with the exception of Dreadnoughts, as all models must be from the same chapter.

Of course we can all agree that that is just silly, and don't play that way.

Sadly, this is true. Obviously, this can't possibly be the authors intent, but the rules are pretty clear if you read them with a critical eye. All models must be drawn from the same Chapter. How do we know what Chapter a model is drawn from? Per the rules, we look at that model's Chapter Tactics. It the model has Chapter Tactics (Iron Hands), then we know it's drawn from the Iron Hands Chapter. What Chapter is a Rhino drawn from? Hmmm... no Chapter Tactics rule. Per the rules, we have no way of knowing what Chapter something like a Rhino is drawn from. Hence, if you are required to drawn all your models form the same Chapter, you can't field Rhinos as Rhinos are never drawn from a specific Chapter. Derpy, I know, but them's the rules.

To Happyjew's point, this is why most people just put in a house rule, often unknowingly, that says something like "all models without the Chapter Tactics special rule selected from Codex: Space Marines in a given Detachment are drawn from whichever Chapter was selected for that Detachment".

I feel that their intention of the rule was for it to look something like this:

All models in the same Detachment or Formation with the 'Chapter Tactics' special rule must be drawn from the same Chapter.

Of course that's not what they wrote so it does leave us with a rule that's somewhat problematic. Hopefully this will be cleared up in the FAQ that they solicited for on their Facebook page.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
which means to if your army's special rules effect all models in the army or detachment, those rules will effect your Atrapos or Acheron or Lancer.

Or Castigator.

Everyone keeps forgetting the poor Castigator.