How on Tera do you fight Necrons!?

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**Tibs Ironblood**

Hi!

my good friend plays necrons and let's just say I have had a rough time with him. My friend only really likes playing kill points and I don't want to force him to play Maelstrom. I am finding Necrons entirely unfun to fight and rather frustrating. Now I admit I am not a great player so I am sure that factors into my losses. The Necrons are so stupidly hard to kill that I just get whittled down to paste. Now I have played aggressive so far and brought the fight to him which I am thinking I need to stop doing. Objective modes would help a good deal and it's what I am used to, but he prefers playing kill points. Don't even get me started on basic guns glancing battle wagon front armor on 6s....

So oh mighty dakka can you throw some advice my way? I play Orks, space marines and I dabble in imperial guard.

**Martel732**

Stop playing kill points.

**Grumblewartz**

Haha, of course he likes kill points, what an

. Necrons are the single most durable army in the game.

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For that matter, why would YOU want to play a game against a person like that?

**Slayer-Fan123**

Not playing KP doesn't necessarily help. Orks honestly have little in the way of combating Necrons.

Tank Bustaz are your best bet to actually land any harm their direction, at least in terms of basic dudes (Warriors, Immortals, Flayed Ones).
What specifically is the list the Necron player is running?

**ALEXisAWESOME**

You've already identified the problem, he should be able to understand that playing the most durable faction in the game then insisting upon kill points is unreasonable. If not...

Anyway, I find Orks do rather well against necrons. Most Necron guns are ranged 24. Couple that with the massive threat range Orks in Trukks or Battlewagons can go during the Waaaagh! it puts you in a good posistion to avoid most of their fire power. During the Waaagh! a Boy or Nob can move 6 in a Trukk, disembark 6, run average 4, then Boarding Plank + Ere we go enchanced charge range of on average 9 or 10. That gives them a 25-25" average charge range! That's ridiculous! You can easily catch people unprepared. Take a few units of Trukk boyz + some Nobs and maybe some Mega Nobz. Wait around the 25 inche mark. He marhces forward to get a clean shot at you. Most of your transports survive the initial volly, then you call the WAAAAGH! and surge forward for an easy charge.

**Xerics**

The way to kill necrons is weight of attack/volumes of fire. his saves will fail him eventually. I know its pretty frustrating to deal with necrons without D weapons. I have shot 40 scatter laser shots into a group of necron warriors and only killed 3... A good way to do it is long range firepower with a lot of it. For your orks lootas used to be viable with their S: 7 shooting and D3 shots per. In all honesty i haven't looked at an Ork codex or played against an ork player since mid 6th...

**Desubot**

Gotta hope you can sweep them by doing more damage then receiving. kinda doable with orks.

Otherwise stop playing kill points. win by objectives is really the only other real option.

OR you start bringing as many D weapons as you can and hope for the best.

**Drasius**

Either that or you start bringing a stompa filled with enough meks to regen 11 hull points a turn and a bunch of KMK mek guns on a skyshield landing pad. Have fun playing kill points against that, even with necrons.

**guardpiper**

Remind him that your enjoyment of the game is important too and always playing kill points is not fun for you. For every game you play kill points it is only fair you get to do maelstrom game. As bad it might sound if he only wants to do is kill points and not consider your feelings and your enjoyment, friend or not he is not worth playing against.

**Grief**

Play eldar with d scythes and so much d cannons and d weapon Wraith Knights/Guards/Blades.

**Lythrandire Biehrellian**

The true threat to necrons is to limit their saves.

Ap4 will do significant work on necron troops, so get some lootas out there to soften them up. Then, take 'eavy armor on your boyz and load them into trukks as the poster above said.

On the charge they may only be about half as durable, but 4x the damage output as necron warriors. While out their troops turn two or three and then pile into the rest afterwards.

May want to put out some skortchas as well, ap4 and ignoring cover while not being penalized for their low ballistic skill is always a plus!

**the_scotsman**

Real talk: you will never win a game of kill points as orks vs necrons.

There is actually no way. KP is a fundamentally flawed game type that doesn't make any sense whatsoever as a metric of who performed better.

Play with objectives that force you to sacrifice optimal killing power/durability and actually bring a second dimension to the game.

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Alternative idea: Your next 2000 game, just bring an unbound list of two stompas and a Buzzgob Kustom Stompa. You will overwhelm more than 3 units with fire before the stompas go down, almost guaranteed.

Refuse to play any other list as long as you play kill points. Claim you're just "playing to the mission".

**slip**

Take 4 Blitz-bommer skwadrons.

Or take 3x max loota squads, and an aegis defense network with as many ammo dumps as possible for 2+/4+ cover saves and hit rerolls.

Or a Macro Cannon Aquila Strongpoint, or some other fortification shenanigans.

**Vortenger**

I'd request see some list comparisons. What do you play in your list, what does he play in his? That would give us a much better background to offer up information rather than make declarative blanket statements. That said, others are right about the nature of KP games, they can be wildly unbalanced compared to playing objectives.

**JimOnMars**

Try some of the other non-maelstrom missions. My boyz like The Relic, although that one would be tough against Necrons.

Is he playing decurion? If so, note that the ork fakecurion is vastly weaker, and you can't compete. If he won't change, you are in a very difficult situation. Find new players, or just take a break for a while.

**DarknessEternal**

Play missions in the rulebook. Necrons aren't good at moving around.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Necrons are EXCELLENT at moving around. Anybody claiming otherwise just hasn't a clue on what they're talking about.

**greatbigtree**

The best way to win at killpoints, is to limit the number of units you use. Hypothetically, Imperial Knights shouldn't be able to lose KP, at 450 points per model.

You aren't required to use your full allotment of points. You could try using as many full-squads as you can. 10-man terminator units are an ideal unit limiter.

**buo-ong**

Show him 2 stompas fully loaded with mekboys. Usally Necrons do not have firepowers to destroy a stompa in a turn, and your stompa will fully repaired by mekboys in your turn. Also a big mek with KFF will provide a good protection against gauss firing.

**G00fySmiley**

yea... seriously insisting on kill point means he basically just say I win vs orks. sorry, but if there is not tournament to prepare for then roll off for type of play of I'd find another opponent.

**Otto Weston**

KP is literally a Necron game..... Maelstrom is actually a rather balanced game mode, so if you can't get him to play that - play another mission type that isn't KP. E.g. Stronghold Assault (I love those missions) etc.

Also, if someone brings even a semi-competitive list as Necrons, it's very hard to counter them without a competitive list of your own. Maybe you can sit down with your opponent and hash out a dumbed down list that isn't so bad for you - talking sorts out most problems.