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As I've been trying to expand my Nurgle themed CSM army,I was thinking of getting some berzerkers
but didn't know whether this works with the fluff of chaos so please could someone tell me how Nurgle and Khorne interact in fluff?

The only way I could think of this happening was to ally them with my orks. Thanks

Khorne and Nurgle have no especial enmity.

Look up the older fluff of the storm boyz

Nurgle and Khorne get on ok, while orks would much rather hang with Khorne than any other god

Who needs Khorne!? He is just a pewny Umie god! Gork (Or possibly Mork) would Krump Khorne propa!

Khorne and Nurgle are obviously, in the long run, rivals but that's mainly because only one chaos power can be supreme rather than total philosophical incompatibility. All the daemons will fight their shared enemies together, it's just a matter of different degrees of reluctance.

Chaos warbands rarely ally with anyone except when there is a large fight (or possibly a campaign going on). In 'peace' time it doesn't matter if the second warband is khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh or Tzeentch; the first warband will keep to themselves.
So just justify it by saying these two warbands happened upon the same failing imperial crusade and decided to help each other crush the imperial scum, or maybe they are just trying to out do each other in the destruction they can cause.

TL : DR,
Any two armies can be allies if you put enough effort into their backstory.

iirc Khorne's main rival is Tzeentch and Nurgle's is Slaanesh.

Other way around Slip.

pm713 wrote:
Other way around Slip.

Not according to the Daemons Codex, have a look at the warpstorm table, its Nurgle hates Tzeench and Khorn Hates Slannesh

Huh, they changed it since 6th whfb. (Last time I played chaos lol.)

I like the old one better, makes more sense. Nurgle and Slaanesh worked because Slaanesh was all about beauty and ecstasy while Nurgle was about uglyness and suffering. Tzeentch was the master manipulator and Khorne was the master of who gives a feth about that, let's chop some heads.

Any reason why Nurgle and Tzeentch or Slaanesh and Khorne don't get along?

I believe Nurgle hates Tzeentch because Tzeentch is all about changing and progressing things whilst Nurgle is all about keeping everything in a constant state of not quite dead not quite living?
And I think their only excuse for Khorne and Slaanesh not liking each other was that Khorne is all about serious, honourable fighting and Slaanesh doesn't take war seriously?

Whatever the reasons behind the new hatreds in the warp they definitely weren't as good as the old ones.

Hope vs despair, life vs death.

The main reason the Khorne vs Slaanesh deal is pretty weak is that Khorne is, honestly, not a very compelling god. Being ruled by ambition, accepting that all things end and embracing every possible experience of life all make for more useful characters than "he just kills a lot of stuff, I guess".

Khorne and Slaanesh don't get along because of that business back during Slaanesh's birth with Khaela Mensha Khaine, if I recall correctly.

 Robin5t wrote:
Khorne and Slaanesh don't get along because of that business back during Slaanesh's birth with Khaela Mensha Khaine, if I recall correctly.

Go on...

Nurgle vs Tzeench works well imo, Khorne vs Slaanesh is probably just because they were the two left over.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
Khorne and Slaanesh don't get along because of that business back during Slaanesh's birth with Khaela Mensha Khaine, if I recall correctly.

Go on...

Well, one of the more common accounts of that fight said that as Slaanesh was about to finish off Khaine, Khorne intervened, reasoning (with his fist) that since Khaine was a god of War, he was Khorne's property, not Slaanesh's. The two had a right proper scrap over it, resulting in Khaine getting driven to the material world and split into shards.

The current god vs god doesn't make sense to me. Khorne hates magic, so he should hate Tzeentch. And why does it have to be A hates B, so B hates A. This would be much more interesting:

Khorne hates Tzeencth (reasons above)
Tzeentch hates Nurgle for the current reasons
Nurgle hates Slaanesh b/c they keep messing around in his Garden (or something)
Slaanesh hates Khorne for the current reasons

That way A hates B who hates C who hates D who, in turn hates A. Instead of a "love triangle" you have a "hate square". In game this would also give a better advantage to the unit that "Hates" because the unit it is attacking would also not hate them in return as it is now.

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I was thinking that the nurgle and khorne forces are trying to win over the orks.

they would obviously want to go to khorne because violence
and nurgle because I'm using the painmob formation

 Galef wrote:
The current god vs god doesn't make sense to me. Khorne hates magic, so he should hate Tzeentch. And why does it have to be A hates B, so B hates A. This would be much more interesting:

Khorne hates Tzeencth (reasons above)
Tzeentch hates Nurgle for the current reasons
Nurgle hates Slaanesh b/c they keep messing around in his Garden (or something)
Slaanesh hates Khorne for the current reasons

That way A hates B who hates C who hates D who, in turn hates A. Instead of a "love triangle" you have a "hate square". In game this would also give a better advantage to the unit that "Hates" because the unit it is attacking would also not hate them in return as it is now.

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If anything Slaanesh should hate Nurgle. Slaanesh is all vanity and self-obsessed with physical beauty and perfection. Nurgle embraces warts 'n' all. I get that the Khorne vs. Tzeencht makes sense (Khorne hates sorcery/magic), but I think his rivalry with Slaanesh comes from his hate of what he would see as "underhand" tactics and "non-martial" focuses - i.e. pursuit of excessive hedonism at the cost of all-out bloodshed.

 Anfauglir wrote:

 Galef wrote:
The current god vs god doesn't make sense to me. Khorne hates magic, so he should hate Tzeentch. And why does it have to be A hates B, so B hates A. This would be much more interesting:

Khorne hates Tzeencth (reasons above)
Tzeentch hates Nurgle for the current reasons
Nurgle hates Slaanesh b/c they keep messing around in his Garden (or something)
Slaanesh hates Khorne for the current reasons

That way A hates B who hates C who hates D who, in turn hates A. Instead of a "love triangle" you have a "hate square". In game this would also give a better advantage to the unit that "Hates" because the unit it is attacking would also not hate them in return as it is now.

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If anything Slaanesh should hate Nurgle. Slaanesh is all vanity and self-obsessed with physical beauty and perfection. Nurgle embraces warts 'n' all. I get that the Khorne vs. Tzeencht makes sense (Khorne hates sorcery/magic), but I think his rivalry with Slaanesh comes from his hate of what he would see as "underhand" tactics and "non-martial" focuses - i.e. pursuit of excessive hedonism at the cost of all-out bloodshed.

I think you are heavily misinterpreting Slaanesh wrong.

Slaanesh and Nurgle both accept and embrace life as it is.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I think you are heavily misinterpreting Slaanesh wrong.

Oh? Do go on...

Khorne hates Slaanesh because S is all about experiences and his/her troops are likely to stop during a battle to smoke a pipe/sacrifice some prisoners/organise an orgy/cut themselves. This brings less skulls so is a waste of time.
Slaanesh hates Khorne because K's troops only have one goal, slaughter, and two emotions, rage and frenzy. This is a waste of all the potential emotions and experiences which can be gained from life, death and the battlefield.

Slaanesh is all about personal experience and internalising things, such as killing someone to feel the power from taking their life.

Khorne is all about external things. Kill because FETHING KILL.

Just a tip with the orks, in the 6th edition CSM codex their is a very short piece of fluff that mentions that Morton the demon primarch of the death guard, used orks inflected with nurgle plagues as troops for an invasion of an imperial world, so I see nothing wrong with having a few orks in your nurgle army, just convert them up some boils or something else nurgly.