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I dont know how many of you have played the game Space Marine, but i thought it was pretty accurate representation of the universe and it stuck to the lore pretty well. At the end of the game, the leader, Tidus is taken by the inquisition to be investigated for heresy due to his resistance to warp energies. shorty after the games release the stuido closed down, there was however plans to make 2 sequels which intially had me excited but upon reading what the director had in store.... well just take a look...

“I had some big plans for Titus,” van Lierop told PAR. “The second part of his story was to focus on a ‘Titus Unleashed’ plot—basically there were forces arrayed against him that would see his loyalty to the Adeptus Astartes pushed to its limit, and his reaction would be to kind of ‘go rogue,’ and we'd see a different Titus, not quite as in control as we saw him in Space Marine. He would be kicked out as a consequence—exiled, which would basically be a death sentence for him.”

The sequel would've been a much more aggressive game than the first one, which showed Titus and his marines take down all sorts of enemies, from Orcs to Chaos forces.

The third would bring things to an epic conclusion, according to van Lierop.

“He would survive, and come back even stronger in the third game, where other Space Marines still loyal to him would rally around him and he'd return to ‘clean house,’ but as the head of a brand new Chapter that we would build around him.”

to me that just seems like nonsense. Originally at the end of space marine i thought he was going to join the grey knights. but he openly goes rogue? And is then rewarded with a new chapter? I didnt think space marines could be excommunicated and even if they could i dont see why they couldnt make it on their own. If the 2nd game ended with him falling to chaos that would have been one thing. but this... i dont know... thoughts? opinions?

EDIT: after watching the end of the game again, they were already breaking lore. Tidus, chastises one of his men for following the codex and turning him in to the inquisition. Tidus basically said feth you to the inquisition and only went with them after they threatened to blockade the planet and interrogate everyone he had interacted with, and the Cadian lieutenant encouraged him to ignore the inquisition! this seems like madness to me! and that theyve definatly been warped by choas. GW should have sent someone over to help them out

I understand the sentence " as the head of a brand new Chapter that we would build around him" differently.
Like, Titus and his warband.
Titus and his loyal mens (tens of marines) going independent, settling on a planet, and "making" a new chapter.

Yeah, the ending is bad... But it is perfect product of the times...

What I figured is that he would be falsely accused of being a heretic by the Inquisitor and be sentenced to death, but he would find out that the Inquisitor is in fact the true heretic and would go rogue in an effort to expose him.

After exposing him and defeating him he would have proved his innocence and saved some Imperial world or important person. For his true loyalty and service he would then be made the new Chapter Master of a Ultramarine successors chapter.

Interesting the version I heard had him becoming a Inquisitor of sorts as he would not want to be part of the codex-adherent chapter anymore and rather freeball it as the Inq. does.

Would the 2nd game be called "Space Marine 2: Rogue Traitor"?

 Vulpes89 wrote:
EDIT: after watching the end of the game again, they were already breaking lore. Tidus, chastises one of his men for following the codex and turning him in to the inquisition. Tidus basically said feth you to the inquisition and only went with them after they threatened to blockade the planet and interrogate everyone he had interacted with, and the Cadian lieutenant encouraged him to ignore the inquisition! this seems like madness to me! and that theyve definatly been warped by choas. GW should have sent someone over to help them out

On paper the Inquisition has authority over all, in practice they don't: According to Imperial Armour 10 for example the Badab War was prosecuted by various Astartes chapters operating at the behest of Inquisitorial Legate Frain, but when the rebels were ultimately defeated the survivors were tried - despite the Legates objection - by a council of Astartes, not the Inquisition. Titus' potential corruption should have been investigated by the Ultramarines own Librarius and Chaplaincy, not passed to an outsider.

Then they Grey Knights show up and he has to fight an entire GK brotherhood by himself?

A few things I'd pick out of the quote from van Lierop, with the caveat that I'm presuming that Titus's objections are the Ultramarines' rigid adherence to the Codex and his arrest due to mysterious resistance to Chaos artifacts:

1. Titus goes rogue - That's going to end in either a death oath (Uriel Ventris style) or excommunication and branding as a traitor at best. At worse, he'd probably just be hunted down and killed. The Inquisition does not tolerate rogue agents - it certainly does not tolerate rogue Astartes.

2. Titus returns to 'clean house' - How exactly do you clean the house of one of the original Legions and one of the most respected ones at that? Even if you disregarding the marysueness of Ward's Ultramarines, they were still one of the more widely known Chapters and are respected as a dependable fighting force. Don't get me wrong, I thought Space Marine was great and I liked Titus as a character, but it's stretching the fluff a lot to suggest the Ultramarines need to be 'cleaned up' - much less by a ragged band of Titus and Chums. This isn't the Blood Ravens after all...

3. So Titus returns home, kicks the everloving **** out of the unexplainably corrupted/inept Ultramarines and then people just go 'Hey you're such a great guy - have a Chapter on the house!' Mmmm - No. Nope. Nu-uh. Again, the Inquisition doesn't tolerate renegades or outcasts and I can't think the Ultramarines do either. They sure aren't going to then give said former rogue agent access to 1000 marines, all their wargear, a fleet of potent ships and a couple of hundred thousand serfs to potentially corrupt thier minds and turn them against the Imperium. Titus would have to have an exceptional reason for waging war against the Ultramarines and even if he did beat them for legitimate reasons, he would still need to explain why he got in trouble with the Inquisition in the first place, why he was excommmunicated and undertake an extraordinary act of penitence to be permitted to rejoin the Imperium - much less be awarded a full Chapter as a golden handshake. Look at Uriel Ventris - he was kicked out and put on a death oath for simply doing the right thing (Making sure the Deathwatch made it into a Hive Fleet) and he had to go all the way into the Eye of Terror and then be tested by Grey Knights simply to be allowed back into the Ultramarines. And that was a minor infraction - after Titus being Chaos resistant and suspected as a Chaos agent he isn't going to get off with a slap on the wrist and a free Chapter!?!

Finally just a note @Vulpes89:

A) Yes, Space Marines can be excommunicated - it's not unusual as it does happen from time to time.
B) I doubt Titus would join the Grey Knights. He may be a latent Psyker (Which would explain his resistance to Chaos a bit and I wouldn't be surprised if this was the direction they were going to take it), but he already has Ultramarines DNA courtesy of his progenoid gland. Grey Knights recruit aspirants and implant their own unique gene-seed.
C) As Gashrog has already said, the Inquisition has varied levels of power. Some, like the Red Hunters are Inquisition lapdogs, where others such as the Space Wolves outright refuse to have any contact with them. Almost everybody in the Imperium tries to distance themselves from the Inquisition because they are so... inquisitive.

Back in the Dark Millenium days (I think) the Inquisition did a remote review of the Wolves and found they were probably too independent and pagan and should technically be classed as heretics. But they recognised they dont have the authority to go after a SM chapter they simply disagree with. Since then the GKs have fired on the Wolves and still the Wolves are not reclassified

 JustALittleOrkish wrote:
Back in the Dark Millenium days (I think) the Inquisition did a remote review of the Wolves and found they were probably too independent and pagan and should technically be classed as heretics. But they recognised they dont have the authority to go after a SM chapter they simply disagree with. Since then the GKs have fired on the Wolves and still the Wolves are not reclassified

It's not that the Inquisition couldn't wipe the Space Wolves from the galaxy if it was deemed necessary, it's just not seen as necessary enough to justify. The disagreement over the Armageddon cleanup had a very hardline Inquisitor take it personally that the SW didn't click their heels and shout "Yessir". As the conflict escalated and GK were ordered to open fire - and even to break the truce of a negotiation for a surprise attack - many of the Inquisitors present were looking for means to conveniently "disappear" the one shouting about wiping out the SW. They might be unruly, arrogant and sometimes stupid but most of the time they kill stuff the Inquisition and the IoM want dead and they're very good at it. They're an old Chapter, well equipped with ships and armaments. Destroying them would cost a lot, replacing them a whole lot again. It's too much for too little gain.

Spetulhu wrote:

 JustALittleOrkish wrote:
Back in the Dark Millenium days (I think) the Inquisition did a remote review of the Wolves and found they were probably too independent and pagan and should technically be classed as heretics. But they recognised they dont have the authority to go after a SM chapter they simply disagree with. Since then the GKs have fired on the Wolves and still the Wolves are not reclassified

It's not that the Inquisition couldn't wipe the Space Wolves from the galaxy if it was deemed necessary, it's just not seen as necessary enough to justify. The disagreement over the Armageddon cleanup had a very hardline Inquisitor take it personally that the SW didn't click their heels and shout "Yessir". As the conflict escalated and GK were ordered to open fire - and even to break the truce of a negotiation for a surprise attack - many of the Inquisitors present were looking for means to conveniently "disappear" the one shouting about wiping out the SW. They might be unruly, arrogant and sometimes stupid but most of the time they kill stuff the Inquisition and the IoM want dead and they're very good at it. They're an old Chapter, well equipped with ships and armaments. Destroying them would cost a lot, replacing them a whole lot again. It's too much for too little gain.

Yes, Armegeddon was an outright balls-up. A lowly Inquisitor would have to have an EXCELLENT reason to disband one of the oldest and most respected chapters. Ie, "The whole chapter cover themselves in Chaos symbols and chant Khorne's name while they behead captured Ultramarines," not "They disobeyed my morally ambigious orders."

Space Marines can totally 'go rogue' and leave their chapters without being traitors. Look at Deathwatch Blackshields.

 raverrn wrote:
Space Marines can totally 'go rogue' and leave their chapters without being traitors. Look at Deathwatch Blackshields.

That's a unique situation. The Deathwatch is a higher organisation, Marines can volunteer to join and at any time can enter the Black Shields if their chapter goes rogue during that time, or dies, or they simply fall out of love with them. Black Shields are more often, than you describe at least, the actual opposite, where the Chapter goes rogue and they are permitted to join the Deathwatch as a suicide squad of atonement

Forget it, Jake, it's third-party product country. They do whatever they like here.

 Psienesis wrote:
Forget it, Jake, it's third-party product country. They do whatever they like here.

I can think of several occasions where the Deathwatch RPG has been quietly referanced in at least one codex.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Forget it, Jake, it's third-party product country. They do whatever they like here.

I can think of several occasions where the Deathwatch RPG has been quietly referanced in at least one codex.

Most everything mentioned in FFG's 40k RPGs is drawing on design notes and publications from GW over the last 25 years. I can, as easily, point out places where there are variances.

The point being, neither FFG nor Relic nor BL are bound to any sort of "canon". They do what they do to tell a good story. If that doesn't match what is published in a 40k rulebook? So what. It doesn't matter, and no one involved cares.

 Psienesis wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Forget it, Jake, it's third-party product country. They do whatever they like here.

I can think of several occasions where the Deathwatch RPG has been quietly referanced in at least one codex.

Most everything mentioned in FFG's 40k RPGs is drawing on design notes and publications from GW over the last 25 years. I can, as easily, point out places where there are variances.

The point being, neither FFG nor Relic nor BL are bound to any sort of "canon". They do what they do to tell a good story. If that doesn't match what is published in a 40k rulebook? So what. It doesn't matter, and no one involved cares.

sure but if we're gonna dismiss that on that claim, we can dismiss everything GW has written themselves, for all their claims about having a bible, they can, do and are quite happy to over write themselves.

 Psienesis wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Forget it, Jake, it's third-party product country. They do whatever they like here.

I can think of several occasions where the Deathwatch RPG has been quietly referanced in at least one codex.

Most everything mentioned in FFG's 40k RPGs is drawing on design notes and publications from GW over the last 25 years. I can, as easily, point out places where there are variances.

The point being, neither FFG nor Relic nor BL are bound to any sort of "canon". They do what they do to tell a good story. If that doesn't match what is published in a 40k rulebook? So what. It doesn't matter, and no one involved cares.

There are many threads to the Skein, each of these products explore just one.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Forget it, Jake, it's third-party product country. They do whatever they like here.

I can think of several occasions where the Deathwatch RPG has been quietly referanced in at least one codex.

Most everything mentioned in FFG's 40k RPGs is drawing on design notes and publications from GW over the last 25 years. I can, as easily, point out places where there are variances.

The point being, neither FFG nor Relic nor BL are bound to any sort of "canon". They do what they do to tell a good story. If that doesn't match what is published in a 40k rulebook? So what. It doesn't matter, and no one involved cares.

sure but if we're gonna dismiss that on that claim, we can dismiss everything GW has written themselves, for all their claims about having a bible, they can, do and are quite happy to over write themselves.

GW has never, ever, not once claimed to have a "bible". They deny any concept of "canonicity".

Sorry to burst bubble but the whole game is not even canon so what does it matter any way?