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Hello guys,

Just started the heresy few mounth ago and I'm rolling my first tournament in may. The time is kind of short so if you have any advice on this 2 lists, it would be awesome cause I have to to get everything painted for the tournament and I don't know what to paint first

For the first list, it's a bit more elit with less bodies but more quality using the POL ROW:

+++ Pride of the Legion (3000pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2506pts) ++

+ HQ (380pts) +

Legion Centurion (105pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Burning Lore (30pts), Melta Bombs (5pts), Boarding Shield (10pts)]

Zardu Layak (275pts) [Anakatis Kul Blade-slaves (100pts), Warlord]
····Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion]

+ Troops (1231pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (185pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (35pts), 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts)]

Legion Terminator Squad (501pts) [Chainfist (10pts), 3x Combi-Weapon (21pts), 4x Legion Terminators (120pts), 3x Power Fist (15pts), Tartaros Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon]
····Land Raider Phobos (270pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts)]
····Legion Terminator Sergeant (10pts) [Chainfist (10pts)]

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (275pts) [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web (40pts), Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (35pts), 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines (135pts), Sniper]

The Ashen Circle (270pts) [Dark Channelling (25pts), 6x Incendiary (120pts), 2x Power Axe (10pts)]
····Iconoclast (20pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Phosphex Bombs (10pts)]

+ Elites (225pts) +

Gal Vorbak Dark Brethren (225pts) [4x Dark Brethren (120pts)]
····Dark Martyr (25pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Power Fist (15pts)]

+ Fast Attack (330pts) +

Legion Outrider Squad (330pts) [6x Legion Space Marine Outrider (180pts), Twin-linked Plasma Gun (150pts)]

+ Heavy Support (340pts) +

Legion Spartan Assault Tank (340pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts), Flare Shield (25pts)]

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [Traitor, XVII: Word Bearers]

++ Chaos Daemons: Codex (2013) (Allied Detachment) (494pts) ++

+ HQ (350pts) +

Be'lakor, The Dark Master (350pts)

+ Troops (144pts) +

Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (144pts) [16x Pink Horrors (144pts)]

Second list uses the Dark Brethren ROW but this rite is not mandatorry at all because I can have daemons as allies with Zardu as the warlord so it's mainly for the ID on enemy perils but i's very situational so i'm not sure it's worth it. I have a bit more bodies on this list but I'm a bit concerned about the tac squad, they seem a bit useless in this list. They are just here to bring some expensive bodies to sit on objectives with no real firing support to the other squads.

+++ The Dark Brethren (2999pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2496pts) ++

+ HQ (395pts) +

Legion Centurion (120pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Boarding Shield (10pts), Burning Lore (30pts), Melta Bombs (5pts), Power Weapon (15pts)]

Zardu Layak (275pts) [Anakatis Kul Blade-slaves (100pts), Warlord]
····Master of the Legion [The Dark Brethren]

+ Troops (710pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (185pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (35pts), 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts)]

Legion Tactical Squad (185pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (35pts), 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts)]

The Ashen Circle (340pts) [Dark Channelling (25pts), 9x Incendiary (180pts), 3x Power Axe (15pts)]
····Iconoclast (25pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Phosphex Bombs (10pts), Power Axe (5pts)]

+ Elites (721pts) +

Gal Vorbak Dark Brethren (225pts) [4x Dark Brethren (120pts)]
····Dark Martyr (25pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Power Fist (15pts)]

Legion Terminator Squad (496pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Chainfist (10pts), 3x Combi-Weapon (21pts), 4x Legion Terminators (120pts), 3x Power Fist (15pts)]
····Land Raider Phobos (270pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts)]
····Legion Terminator Sergeant (5pts) [Power Fist (5pts)]

+ Fast Attack (330pts) +

Legion Outrider Squad (330pts) [6x Legion Space Marine Outrider (180pts), Twin-linked Plasma Gun (150pts)]

+ Heavy Support (340pts) +

Legion Spartan Assault Tank (340pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts), Flare Shield (25pts)]

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [Traitor, XVII: Word Bearers]

++ Chaos Daemons: Codex (2013) (Allied Detachment) (503pts) ++

+ HQ (350pts) +

Be'lakor, The Dark Master (350pts)

+ Troops (153pts) +

Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (153pts) [17x Pink Horrors (153pts)]


For the startegy it's quite straightforward: Zardu and all his budies (ie Gal Vorbak, Anakis and centurion) in the spartan and full ahead to engage mele. Belakor will cast shrouded on the bikes to get that nice 3+ jink and invis on the spartan then on the gal vorbak when they are all out (hiding behind the spartan model of course as a the coward daemon that he is:p ). Termis should try to deal with av rushing forward with their meltas and cc stuff. Outriders just scout and unleash plasma hell on enemy heavy infantry and rest of the troops move on the objectives or deep strike to get some support on the frontline units.

Any thoughts on what list seems the most efficient ?

Burn the heretics !!

All I'm gonna say is, if it's a 30k -tournament- be prepared for at least one person with a Glaive to show up and burn a Giant Volkite Flavored Hole in your invisibility shield.

Well that's quite situational but ye you got a point if i face a glaive i'm toasted But I play with the models that I have so can't change the list that much. I could bring Lorgar but that would mean to sacrifice a lot of bodies and I don't really know if that would a good trade to drop for instance the termies and the phobos for Lorgar. They bring a bit of resilience and some nice av shots that the army lacks a lot.