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2016/04/06 20:10:05
Subject: Disgruntled tau player thinking of picking up a second army.
My local meta doesn't seem to be very competitive, and unless I run an army of all vespids or something, it seems I table my opponents 90% of the time. I tend to be fairly competitive, and I'm finding that since most armies aside from space marines and eldar and kdk are gak against tau, I'm finding that things are too easy for me, and I'm finding that I'm not exactly sadistic. I prefer a close match whilst trying my hardest to win, and it seems that's hard to obtain while playing tau. That, and the people at my GW are getting sick of tau, which I can understand, and I like being able to find a pick up game =\
So, right now I'm considering grabbing a second more friendly army. Right now I'm thinking of a sort of inquisition and grey knight super fun army with a few imperial knights for flavor, and I want to have some advice as to what units in the inquisition and grey knights are good.
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2016/04/06 20:15:52
Subject: Re:Disgruntled tau player thinking of picking up a second army.
The good GK units are: Draigo (in certain builds), ML3 Librarian, Troop Terminators, and Dreadknights.
The decent GK units are: Purifiers, Interceptors, and maybe Paladins under certain circumstances.
Everything else is either meh, too niche, or just a weaker version of one of the above units, at least since our last codex release.
If you're really looking for something on the other end of the spectrum from WTFBBQ Tau Obliteration, you might try a "true" fluffy Inquisition list, using an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor (equipped to taste) along with his warband, some GKs, and then fill out any gaps with Stormtroopers Militarum Tempestus.
From what you wrote, it seems you're TFG. Instead of playing with what's good, go with what looks cool to you. It doesn't restrict you to an 'army of vespids', but more in tone with fluffy formations rather than optimal tourney lists.
2016/04/06 20:26:55
Subject: Disgruntled tau player thinking of picking up a second army.
Big Mac wrote: From what you wrote, it seems you're TFG. Instead of playing with what's good, go with what looks cool to you. It doesn't restrict you to an 'army of vespids', but more in tone with fluffy formations rather than optimal tourney lists.
Big Mac wrote: From what you wrote, it seems you're TFG. Instead of playing with what's good, go with what looks cool to you. It doesn't restrict you to an 'army of vespids', but more in tone with fluffy formations rather than optimal tourney lists.
Not sure anything he really said is TFG.
competitive min max yes. but not TFG.
As I said.
Orks or Chaos Space Marines.
Let him min-max away!
2016/04/06 20:27:59
Subject: Disgruntled tau player thinking of picking up a second army.
Big Mac wrote: From what you wrote, it seems you're TFG. Instead of playing with what's good, go with what looks cool to you. It doesn't restrict you to an 'army of vespids', but more in tone with fluffy formations rather than optimal tourney lists.
I picked tau because they looked sick and I liked the Orwellian background. I only run 1 riptide in friendly games and I run a whole lot of fire warriors. I min max, but I tend to avoid the high grade motza like wall of mirrors and storm surge rocket rain.
2016/04/06 20:34:27
Subject: Disgruntled tau player thinking of picking up a second army.
Big Mac wrote: From what you wrote, it seems you're TFG. Instead of playing with what's good, go with what looks cool to you. It doesn't restrict you to an 'army of vespids', but more in tone with fluffy formations rather than optimal tourney lists.
Maybe he's in a casual environment and his play group aren;t good enough to handle even that level of tau
2016/04/06 20:38:01
Subject: Disgruntled tau player thinking of picking up a second army.
Big Mac wrote: From what you wrote, it seems you're TFG. Instead of playing with what's good, go with what looks cool to you. It doesn't restrict you to an 'army of vespids', but more in tone with fluffy formations rather than optimal tourney lists.
Not sure anything he really said is TFG.
competitive min max yes. but not TFG.
As I said.
Orks or Chaos Space Marines.
Let him min-max away!
Lel.
Honestly it really wont matter what army you play if the group you play with ends up being super casual. you are better off running campaigns or taking a lot of unusual war gear or more gimicy stuff like those sunshark bomber things.
otherwise taking 3 riptides and plasma fusion or rocket crisis suits all day will pretty much always win.
edit try highlander format of 1 unit of each kind. always interesting.
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Big Mac wrote: From what you wrote, it seems you're TFG. Instead of playing with what's good, go with what looks cool to you. It doesn't restrict you to an 'army of vespids', but more in tone with fluffy formations rather than optimal tourney lists.
Not sure anything he really said is TFG.
competitive min max yes. but not TFG.
I'm reading 'sick of tau=him', not being able to find a PUG= opponents not wanting to face a min max list all the time. I'm trying to help him finding opponents to enjoy games with, not bashing him. Thus suggesting getting models on coolness rather than TT greatness, and if models happen to fall in both categories, not spamming it in his list. The OP ask for a 2nd army, yet one of the first thing he ask is what is great on TT for GK, if and when he flesh out that army, it most likely= same result as he have with his current tau army.
2016/04/06 20:41:01
Subject: Disgruntled tau player thinking of picking up a second army.
Orks. Instead of tabling 90% of the time, you will struggle to compete. There is literally nothing in the codex that's broken, so you can take anything you want. And everybody will love you.
2016/04/06 21:02:49
Subject: Disgruntled tau player thinking of picking up a second army.
Big Mac wrote: From what you wrote, it seems you're TFG. Instead of playing with what's good, go with what looks cool to you. It doesn't restrict you to an 'army of vespids', but more in tone with fluffy formations rather than optimal tourney lists.
Not sure anything he really said is TFG.
competitive min max yes. but not TFG.
I'm reading 'sick of tau=him', not being able to find a PUG= opponents not wanting to face a min max list all the time. I'm trying to help him finding opponents to enjoy games with, not bashing him. Thus suggesting getting models on coolness rather than TT greatness, and if models happen to fall in both categories, not spamming it in his list. The OP ask for a 2nd army, yet one of the first thing he ask is what is great on TT for GK, if and when he flesh out that army, it most likely= same result as he have with his current tau army.
Well you know what they say about assuming.
TFG =/= competitive players. we dont necessarily know how he is playing or even what he is playing let alone the other peoples list or opinions.
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2016/04/06 21:35:29
Subject: Re:Disgruntled tau player thinking of picking up a second army.
Codex: Inquisition is quite fun - you can bring a huge range of Acolyte squads (from CCW+Laspistol to Bolter Guardsmen to Power Armour'ed Plasma Guns), run Servitors with Plasma Cannons, Monkeys with Lascannon-Flamer-Meltas, super-cheap Stormshield Crusaders and so on - and you ride in style with access to most of the imperial transport options - Rhino, Razorback, 4 Land Raider variants , Chimera (5 firing ports!), Valkyrie and so on. I only ever miss Vendettas (and there's a 3-Vendetta formation for IG available now) and Drop Pods (just get some SM allies) - well, and Objective Secure, but that's what allies are there for.
Ally wise you can justify much and build really fluffy lists - IG always fits in the picture, Sororitas and Grey Knights are self-explanatory and the Space Marine formation 1st Company Task Force - 3 Vanguard/Sternguard/Terminator Squads makes an excellent Deathwatch substitute.
I'm reading 'sick of tau=him', not being able to find a PUG= opponents not wanting to face a min max list all the time. I'm trying to help him finding opponents to enjoy games with, not bashing him. Thus suggesting getting models on coolness rather than TT greatness, and if models happen to fall in both categories, not spamming it in his list. The OP ask for a 2nd army, yet one of the first thing he ask is what is great on TT for GK, if and when he flesh out that army, it most likely= same result as he have with his current tau army.
So you're insulting him only to help him out? Well then it must be OK to do so </sarcasm>.
2016/04/06 21:55:58
Subject: Disgruntled tau player thinking of picking up a second army.
Thing is GK are to me a lot like Tau with powers you have Dreadknights = riptides
IK = storm surge
Lots of deepstrike units
A better bet is to play something completely different or something you can use with your Tau.
Playing different types of army's will help you as a player to know what they can do and what they can't.
I don't know if you ever play big games but it's nice to have the army's to combine for a 5k+ game without the one eye rule
2000 6000 with Reaver Titan guard 2k
2500 (imperial force)
2500 (trimming down in 8th)
TS 30k at 5k points
Yes I have a problem
2016/04/06 22:08:34
Subject: Re:Disgruntled tau player thinking of picking up a second army.
To be fair, His list MIGHT not be terrible if the new formations are semi-decent. I wouldn't be surprised if IF and IH can run some pretty god blob-marines lists.
CrownAxe wrote:No its because you also have a terrible list.
He wants to have close games, not shoot himself in the foot
I ran a modified version of it last night (upgraded the naked tac squads to carry plasma cannons and multimeltas; dropped the captain so my list would be CAD compliant) and beat an orks trukk list.
My list is only "terrible" because of the current meta and general codex power creep.
There's nothing wrong with the list. It's basically what GW has been saying, in the fluff, that space marines should take. Tacticals, assault marines, devastators and veterans.
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2016/04/06 22:50:48
Subject: Re:Disgruntled tau player thinking of picking up a second army.
CrownAxe wrote:No its because you also have a terrible list.
He wants to have close games, not shoot himself in the foot
I ran a modified version of it last night (upgraded the naked tac squads to carry plasma cannons and multimeltas; dropped the captain so my list would be CAD compliant) and beat an orks trukk list.
My list is only "terrible" because of the current meta and general codex power creep.
Oh boy you beat one of the worst armies that was using one of their worst lists in the game. I'm super impressed
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2016/04/06 22:52:00
Subject: Disgruntled tau player thinking of picking up a second army.
You get to run Space Marine blobs and have shields that are resistant to shooting. It's fun in that you have to capture an objective in your opponents deploy.
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2000 
6000 with Reaver Titan 
2500 (imperial force)
2500 (trimming down in 8th)
