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Seeing as all Blood Angels can succumb to the Black Rage, surely over the chapter's history there's been at least a few Librarians that have fallen. I just wonder what could happen to them, whether they cold use their powers or not - seeing as a raving mad, potentially combat oriented pskyer seems like quite the threat. From Mephiston's fluff one can see that they were fielded thought it doesn't mention his powers in any detail while he was in the Black Armour.

Any thoughts or information would be greatly appreciated because the campaign I need this for starts next week. Thanks guys.

They probably lose the ability to properly harness the warp.

From a Fluff point, they'll probably will be harnessing the Warp passively boosting their *beliefs and delusions* while in combat.

If they believe they are somehow inmortal or invulnerable to small arms fire, their psyche should be harnessing the warp power and manifesting it somehow providing itself with some sort of psy barrier, but aside some sort of precognition (if the legends of Sanguinius prescience are true) they should not be able to be capable to manipulate the warp at least on a specific purpouse.

I suspect having a librarian in the Death Company would be a bad idea. You don't want a complete loon with psychic powers.

Also is there not fluff that not all librarians in a character come from the stock?

You have to remember the Death Company aren't a standard, set force, it's only there to give those who do succumb to it the chance for an honourable death in battle, and those that survive too long get a little visit from Astaroth and his big axe.

So a Librarian would be unleashed just as any other astartes would for the chance of an honourable death. If he does prove too dangerous Astaroth will lop his head off.

When Mephiston succumbed he killed half an ork waaagh before the chaplains arrived and realised he was different. I'm pretty sure some Death Company get put in stasis between battles which is another option.

That's what I think at least.

Do you know what happened to the World Eaters librarian during the Heresy / just before the Heresy ?

They were losing controle of themselves during battle.
They burnt they own brother with psy power, or killed themselves etc...

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I suspect having a librarian in the Death Company would be a bad idea. You don't want a complete loon with psychic powers.

They put Calistarius/ Mephiston into the DC.


They might be raving looneys, but they recognize their brothers in battle. They might forget they use powers, they might use the ragamahole to say up yours Daemon, they might just get Astaroth's axe.
They stick Librarians into dreadnoughts and have DC dreads.

I would imagine they would get a bolt round to the back of the head.

waaaay yo dangerous to let a psyker go loopy and spawn daemons in.

they just wouldn't take the risk

TheWanderer wrote:
I would imagine they would get a bolt round to the back of the head.

waaaay yo dangerous to let a psyker go loopy and spawn daemons in.

they just wouldn't take the risk

They put Calistarius/ future Mephiston into the DC.
Well they do.

the ancient wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
I would imagine they would get a bolt round to the back of the head.

waaaay yo dangerous to let a psyker go loopy and spawn daemons in.

they just wouldn't take the risk

They put Calistarius/ future Mephiston into the DC.
Well they do.

He was a red thirst not a black rage sufferer


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also I suppose I fell into the trap as many do of considering the death company as a ongoing formation.

Its not

the idea is that the marines in it die, quickly.

or they get stuck into the tower of the lost as the go insane.

an insane psyker is not going to be allowed to live. especially if the inquisition has anything to say about it

Taffy17 wrote:
You have to remember the Death Company aren't a standard, set force, it's only there to give those who do succumb to it the chance for an honourable death in battle.

This. A Librarian who gets the visions on the eve of battle will be let loose with the Death Company in order to grant him death in combat while wreaking havoc on the enemy, just as any other Blood Angel who succumbs.

But if he survives the battle it would probably be for the best to not keep him any longer. As said, he's a lunatic with psychic powers. There is precedent for keeping someone valuable in stasis between battles though - the DC Chaplain Lemartes is kept alive to lead the DC again and again, and there's DC dreadnoughts including two named ones called Moriar the Chosen and Cassor the Damned

TheWanderer wrote:

the ancient wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
I would imagine they would get a bolt round to the back of the head.

waaaay yo dangerous to let a psyker go loopy and spawn daemons in.

they just wouldn't take the risk

They put Calistarius/ future Mephiston into the DC.
Well they do.

He was a red thirst not a black rage sufferer


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also I suppose I fell into the trap as many do of considering the death company as a ongoing formation.

Its not

the idea is that the marines in it die, quickly.

or they get stuck into the tower of the lost as the go insane.

an insane psyker is not going to be allowed to live. especially if the inquisition has anything to say about it

No he wasn't. He was full blown Black Rage. He remains the only Blood Angel to come back from the Black Rage.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

the ancient wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
I would imagine they would get a bolt round to the back of the head.

waaaay yo dangerous to let a psyker go loopy and spawn daemons in.

they just wouldn't take the risk

They put Calistarius/ future Mephiston into the DC.
Well they do.

He was a red thirst not a black rage sufferer


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also I suppose I fell into the trap as many do of considering the death company as a ongoing formation.

Its not

the idea is that the marines in it die, quickly.

or they get stuck into the tower of the lost as the go insane.

an insane psyker is not going to be allowed to live. especially if the inquisition has anything to say about it

No he wasn't. He was full blown Black Rage. He remains the only Blood Angel to come back from the Black Rage.

from 40k lex http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mephiston
Mephiston is the Chief Librarian of the Blood Angels and the only Blood Angel ever to overcome the Red Thirst.

TheWanderer,

The current Blood Angels codex states he conquered the Black Rage.

TheWanderer wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

the ancient wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
I would imagine they would get a bolt round to the back of the head.

waaaay yo dangerous to let a psyker go loopy and spawn daemons in.

they just wouldn't take the risk

They put Calistarius/ future Mephiston into the DC.
Well they do.

He was a red thirst not a black rage sufferer


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also I suppose I fell into the trap as many do of considering the death company as a ongoing formation.

Its not

the idea is that the marines in it die, quickly.

or they get stuck into the tower of the lost as the go insane.

an insane psyker is not going to be allowed to live. especially if the inquisition has anything to say about it

No he wasn't. He was full blown Black Rage. He remains the only Blood Angel to come back from the Black Rage.

from 40k lex http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mephiston
Mephiston is the Chief Librarian of the Blood Angels and the only Blood Angel ever to overcome the Red Thirst.

I try to keep to official sources like codexes or novels. The codex says Black Rage. So it is the Black Rage.

The codices mention that it is kind of an unwritten rule among the librarians that any of their own that falls to the Black Rage is too dangerous to be kept around. Calistarius was inducted into the Death Company, but presumably there were no other librarians present to take care of the situation.

Also, it was definitely the Black Rage Mephiston fell to.

TheWanderer wrote:

an insane psyker is not going to be allowed to live. especially if the inquisition has anything to say about it

Would the have anything to say about it? Do they know it exists?

 JustALittleOrkish wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

an insane psyker is not going to be allowed to live. especially if the inquisition has anything to say about it

Would the have anything to say about it? Do they know it exists?

A dead Inquisitor can't know nor say anything

Engrenages wrote:

 JustALittleOrkish wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

an insane psyker is not going to be allowed to live. especially if the inquisition has anything to say about it

Would the have anything to say about it? Do they know it exists?

A dead Inquisitor can't know nor say anything

Hah! My necrocortical transcriptor (literally) says otherwise!
Also, Omophagea.
Seriously, dead men can tell plenty of tales in the 42nd millennium…

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Engrenages wrote:

 JustALittleOrkish wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

an insane psyker is not going to be allowed to live. especially if the inquisition has anything to say about it

Would the have anything to say about it? Do they know it exists?

A dead Inquisitor can't know nor say anything

Hah! My necrocortical transcriptor (literally) says otherwise!
Also, Omophagea.
Seriously, dead men can tell plenty of tales in the 42nd millennium…

You still have to find a body

Was Calistarius a Librarian. Yes.
Was Calistarius in the Death Company. Yes
So theres your answer.
It might depend on what talents he had, but DC seem largely immune to Khaos. But they dont unplug Libby dreads that fall to the curse. They recognize their brothers, well at least the heresy version of who he thinks it is.

Flesh Tearers dont care if the Inq knows. They'll even mind meld the Inq and give him a taste of the rage and send him insane.

Would the black rage make a Librarian more or less susceptible to demonic possession? I wouldn't be surprised if made them un-possessable, akin to reaching your hand into a bonfire, daemon's just wouldn't be able to handle Sanguinius' "gift"

The DC marines have visions of Sanguiniuses battle with Horus and think they are their primarch. They don't remember their identity and therefore don't know how to manifest psycic powers. So a DC librarian should be just like a regular marine. The past identity is gone, they're all Sanguinius now.

 TheManWithNoPlan wrote:
Seeing as all Blood Angels can succumb to the Black Rage, surely over the chapter's history there's been at least a few Librarians that have fallen. I just wonder what could happen to them, whether they cold use their powers or not - seeing as a raving mad, potentially combat oriented pskyer seems like quite the threat. From Mephiston's fluff one can see that they were fielded thought it doesn't mention his powers in any detail while he was in the Black Armour.

Any thoughts or information would be greatly appreciated because the campaign I need this for starts next week. Thanks guys.

This situation was covered in the previous blood angel codex. A close eye is kept on the Librarians, because having a powerful psyker turn into an unreasonable loon is not a good prospect.

As such, in many cases, Librarians will be mercy killed rather than allowed to fall into the depths of the black rage.

If an isolated Librarian succumbs out in the field... well good luck to his enemies I suppose.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

the ancient wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
I would imagine they would get a bolt round to the back of the head.

waaaay yo dangerous to let a psyker go loopy and spawn daemons in.

they just wouldn't take the risk

They put Calistarius/ future Mephiston into the DC.
Well they do.

He was a red thirst not a black rage sufferer


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also I suppose I fell into the trap as many do of considering the death company as a ongoing formation.

Its not

the idea is that the marines in it die, quickly.

or they get stuck into the tower of the lost as the go insane.

an insane psyker is not going to be allowed to live. especially if the inquisition has anything to say about it

No he wasn't. He was full blown Black Rage. He remains the only Blood Angel to come back from the Black Rage.

from 40k lex http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mephiston
Mephiston is the Chief Librarian of the Blood Angels and the only Blood Angel ever to overcome the Red Thirst.

I try to keep to official sources like codexes or novels. The codex says Black Rage. So it is the Black Rage.

Thats lovely. And the next time they change their minds to suit the current trend I am sure you will too


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 JustALittleOrkish wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

an insane psyker is not going to be allowed to live. especially if the inquisition has anything to say about it

Would the have anything to say about it? Do they know it exists?

of course they do, they just chose not to do anything about it, yet,

You cant think a secret from 10,000 years ago is a secret any longer? especially not from the masters of secrecy the inquisition

TheWanderer wrote:
Thats lovely. And the next time they change their minds to suit the current trend I am sure you will too

So, we should just accept your answer because it was correct 5 editions ago, before the term Black Rage had ever been used?

TheWanderer wrote:
You cant think a secret from 10,000 years ago is a secret any longer? especially not from the masters of secrecy the inquisition

Nobody knows the Lion still sleeps tonight.
Nobody knows what Luther did.
Nobody knows what happened to the 2 missing primarchs.
Just saying secrets are still possible.

The old well-respected Chapters are allowed their "eccentricities" as long as they're not more trouble than it's worth. Using the Death Company to give the affected marines a glorious death in combat while smashing as many enemies as possible shows any Inquisitor investigating it that the Blood Angels aren't just keeping their problem in check but also using it to their advantage. Enemies die, afflicted marines die or get locked up - nothing to see here.

Some successors have been put on the watch list though, due to excessive collateral damage and so on.

 JustALittleOrkish wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
You cant think a secret from 10,000 years ago is a secret any longer? especially not from the masters of secrecy the inquisition

Nobody knows the Lion still sleeps tonight.
Nobody knows what Luther did.
Nobody knows what happened to the 2 missing primarchs.
Just saying secrets are still possible.

I understand where you are coming from but while no one has written fluff saying that people know I think it very obvious that there is a wider knowledge of those secrets than you think.

Take the last item you mention - the inquisition was founded in living memory of the 2 missing primarches existing, they would have kept that info


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 Orblivion wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
Thats lovely. And the next time they change their minds to suit the current trend I am sure you will too

So, we should just accept your answer because it was correct 5 editions ago, before the term Black Rage had ever been used?

no but perhaps you can accept that in a fictional universe that is as malleable as the whimsy of whatever writers are working at the time that things change and change back.