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2016/04/28 16:00:45
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Conversation sparked up during a practice match where the devastators from a skyhammer annihilation formation where firing at a monstrous creature. These devastators have the special rule
Suppressing Fusillade
So targeting a normal unit of say Space marine scouts, pass or fail they will no longer be able to fire overwatch. This led to what happens exactly with the Monstrous Creature... Well if they pass leadership they can't fire overwatch, if they fail they must go to ground, and their rules specifically state they can not go to ground. So is it then the case that, if a Monstrous Creature is targeted, that player wants to fail morale (most likely on 3d6) because the disallowing of going to ground would allow for that targeted unit to fire overwatch!
That is how are group interpreted the rule on the spot. What do you all think?
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2016/04/28 16:08:28
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Fixture of Dakka
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That seems entirely correct. A unit that can't go to ground would benefit from failing the Ld check.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2016/04/28 19:14:11
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Of course almost every Monstrous Creature (barring maybe 2 or 3, not including FW) are Fearless. So this will almost never come up.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2016/04/28 19:15:39
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Stubborn Eternal Guard
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 Happyjew wrote:Of course almost every Monstrous Creature (barring maybe 2 or 3, not including FW) are Fearless. So this will almost never come up.
Dreadknights...
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2016/04/28 19:21:24
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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 The_Grey_Knight wrote: Happyjew wrote:Of course almost every Monstrous Creature (barring maybe 2 or 3, not including FW) are Fearless. So this will almost never come up.
Dreadknights...
Like I said there are maybe 2 or 3 non- FW MCs that do not auto pass morale tests. Dreadknight has ATSKNF instead , and Riptides have nothing. Pretty sure most Daemon MCs also do not have Fear, but they have DI, which is similar enough for the purposes of this discussion.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2016/04/28 22:00:34
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Fixture of Dakka
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Happyjew wrote:Of course almost every Monstrous Creature (barring maybe 2 or 3, not including FW) are Fearless. So this will almost never come up.
Bikes can't go to ground either. There are many Bike units that aren't Fearless.
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2016/04/28 22:02:02
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2016/04/28 22:32:15
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Not as Good as a Minion
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Happyjew wrote: The_Grey_Knight wrote: Happyjew wrote:Of course almost every Monstrous Creature (barring maybe 2 or 3, not including FW) are Fearless. So this will almost never come up.
Dreadknights...
Like I said there are maybe 2 or 3 non- FW MCs that do not auto pass morale tests. Dreadknight has ATSKNF instead , and Riptides have nothing. Pretty sure most Daemon MCs also do not have Fear, but they have DI, which is similar enough for the purposes of this discussion.
Most Tyranid MCs are not Fearless independently. There are only a 2 or 3 who have Fearless on their own. The ones with Synapse and One Eye.
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2016/04/29 00:35:29
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Charistoph wrote: Happyjew wrote: The_Grey_Knight wrote: Happyjew wrote:Of course almost every Monstrous Creature (barring maybe 2 or 3, not including FW) are Fearless. So this will almost never come up.
Dreadknights...
Like I said there are maybe 2 or 3 non- FW MCs that do not auto pass morale tests. Dreadknight has ATSKNF instead , and Riptides have nothing. Pretty sure most Daemon MCs also do not have Fear, but they have DI, which is similar enough for the purposes of this discussion.
Most Tyranid MCs are not Fearless independently. There are only a 2 or 3 who have Fearless on their own. The ones with Synapse and One Eye.
Actually almost every Tyranid MC is fearless, unless it is a Synapse creature itself.
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2016/04/29 01:05:40
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
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To my knowledge the ONLY Tyranid MC that doesn't have Fearless/Synapse Creature is the Forgeworld Dimachaeron.
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2016/04/29 04:35:19
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Not as Good as a Minion
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Fragile wrote:Actually almost every Tyranid MC is fearless, unless it is a Synapse creature itself.
Bojazz wrote:To my knowledge the ONLY Tyranid MC that doesn't have Fearless/Synapse Creature is the Forgeworld Dimachaeron.
Apparently I remembered wrong. Apologies.
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Are you a Wolf, a Sheep, or a Hound?
Megavolt wrote:They called me crazy…they called me insane…THEY CALLED ME LOONEY!! and boy, were they right.
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2016/04/29 10:26:21
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Charistoph wrote:Fragile wrote:Actually almost every Tyranid MC is fearless, unless it is a Synapse creature itself.
Bojazz wrote:To my knowledge the ONLY Tyranid MC that doesn't have Fearless/Synapse Creature is the Forgeworld Dimachaeron.
Apparently I remembered wrong. Apologies.
Carnifexes and mawlocs are not fearless and do not have synapse. Not 100% on the hive crone and other FMC, but I do not think they have fearless/synapse either..
Riptides and ghostkeel all so do not fearless.. actually very few MC I would say do have fearless 
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2016/04/29 13:07:27
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Grizzyzz wrote: Charistoph wrote:Fragile wrote:Actually almost every Tyranid MC is fearless, unless it is a Synapse creature itself.
Bojazz wrote:To my knowledge the ONLY Tyranid MC that doesn't have Fearless/Synapse Creature is the Forgeworld Dimachaeron.
Apparently I remembered wrong. Apologies.
Carnifexes and mawlocs are not fearless and do not have synapse. Not 100% on the hive crone and other FMC, but I do not think they have fearless/synapse either..
Riptides and ghostkeel all so do not fearless.. actually very few MC I would say do have fearless
Both Carnifex and Mawloc are fearless as well as Hive Crone. In fact, every MC in the basic Nid Dex has Fearless/ Synapse.
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2016/04/29 13:27:49
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Fragile wrote: Grizzyzz wrote: Charistoph wrote:Fragile wrote:Actually almost every Tyranid MC is fearless, unless it is a Synapse creature itself.
Bojazz wrote:To my knowledge the ONLY Tyranid MC that doesn't have Fearless/Synapse Creature is the Forgeworld Dimachaeron.
Apparently I remembered wrong. Apologies.
Carnifexes and mawlocs are not fearless and do not have synapse. Not 100% on the hive crone and other FMC, but I do not think they have fearless/synapse either..
Riptides and ghostkeel all so do not fearless.. actually very few MC I would say do have fearless
Both Carnifex and Mawloc are fearless as well as Hive Crone. In fact, every MC in the basic Nid Dex has Fearless/ Synapse.
They are only fearless if they are within synapse range..
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2016/04/29 14:06:04
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Are these answers to OP's question? 
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2016/04/29 14:17:37
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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I guess arguably relatable. haha. But I think it is clear that our interpretation in my OP was the correct one. So this thread is pretty much resolved
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2016/04/29 14:42:04
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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Grizzyzz wrote:Conversation sparked up during a practice match where the devastators from a skyhammer annihilation formation where firing at a monstrous creature. These devastators have the special rule
Suppressing Fusillade
So targeting a normal unit of say Space marine scouts, pass or fail they will no longer be able to fire overwatch. This led to what happens exactly with the Monstrous Creature... Well if they pass leadership they can't fire overwatch, if they fail they must go to ground, and their rules specifically state they can not go to ground. So is it then the case that, if a Monstrous Creature is targeted, that player wants to fail morale (most likely on 3d6) because the disallowing of going to ground would allow for that targeted unit to fire overwatch!
That is how are group interpreted the rule on the spot. What do you all think?
RAW, this seems to be the correct interpretation. However, I don't think this was the intention. I'll be talking to my group about houseruling this one.
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 2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
 1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress
 2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
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2016/04/29 14:52:22
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
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Just triplechecked. Every Tyranid MC except the Dimachaeron has either "Fearless" or "Synapse Creature" in their special rules. Carnifexes and Mawlocs both have the Fearless natively, even if they are not in synapse range. Same with the Harpy and Hive Crone.
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2016/04/29 15:39:26
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Bojazz wrote: Just triplechecked. Every Tyranid MC except the Dimachaeron has either "Fearless" or "Synapse Creature" in their special rules. Carnifexes and Mawlocs both have the Fearless natively, even if they are not in synapse range. Same with the Harpy and Hive Crone.
hmm well I need to go back and read my book myself then =/ My mistake.
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2016/04/29 15:44:00
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Tau MCs aren't Fearless as well.
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 Unit1126PLL wrote:"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"
 Shadenuat wrote:Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army.
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2016/04/29 18:55:17
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2016/04/29 19:02:59
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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And ghostkeel 
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2016/04/29 19:30:44
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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Maybe if we go far enough off-topic, we'll circle the globe and end up on-topic again!
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2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress
2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
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2016/04/29 19:58:34
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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In any case, fearless is kinda irrelevant here as MCs have a completely separate rule saying they may never go to ground.
In their case it's not a result of being fearless.
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2016/04/29 20:44:57
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Arson Fire wrote:In any case, fearless is kinda irrelevant here as MCs have a completely separate rule saying they may never go to ground.
In their case it's not a result of being fearless.
Your kinda missing the point. Fearless MCs auto pass the check, meaning they cannot fire Overwatch. MCs that fail the morale test cannot go to ground therefore suffer no ill effects.
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2016/04/29 21:00:29
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Ghostkeel is Gargantuan. Gargantuan Creatures ar Fearless.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2016/04/29 21:04:09
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Lieutenant General
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Ghostkeel is Monstrous. You're thinking of the Stormsurge
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
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2016/04/29 21:18:37
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Is it? I thought they were both GCs.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2016/04/29 21:28:18
Subject: Re:Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Lieutenant General
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Yes its a Monstrous Creature and is smaller than a Riptide.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2016/04/29 22:33:42
Subject: Suppressing Fusillade and Units that may not go to Ground
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Ah. My apologies then. I don't have the Tau codex, and none of the Tau players have used it.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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