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Hi all. I've been working slowly but heavily on my space marine army. After learning that the sergeant in my Vanguard squad couldn't use an eviscerator I've been wondering just what units can use one. So anyone know the rules well enough to know who can use one?

Look at the assault marine unit entry in you SM codex and you will find your answer : )

assault marine sergents can use them, so just make said sergent a assault squad sergent.

Yup, I think it's literally only the assault squads that can take them in codex space marines.

Yeah, only Assault Squads can take it.

Yup. Any member of an assault marine squad. And that’s it.

In the window between when the AM kit and chapter upgrade sprues came out but the new codex was not released I put together a new captain using one. Thinking that it would be added to the general wargear lists. Wrong.

I play him as using the Teeth of Terra relic.

I knew about the assault squad, was hoping I might have missed something. Seems kind of a waste of a cool looking weapon upgrade if you ask me. Even the Vanguards can't have it, which seems very odd to me.

It's a Sisters weapon that was awkwardly shoehorned into a Marine list to give a specific unit a power boost because everyone agreed that unit was complete and utter crap. Vanguard don't get the same whines about them, so they didn't need the 'hotfix'.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
It's a Sisters weapon that was awkwardly shoehorned into a Marine list to give a specific unit a power boost because everyone agreed that unit was complete and utter crap. Vanguard don't get the same whines about them, so they didn't need the 'hotfix'.

Does the eviscerator do much to fix what was wrong with assault marines though? I mean the sergeant could already take the very similar powerfist. Besides giving them access to armourbane it doesn't do much.

Just want to add that for modelling purposes, there is nothing that says an Eviscerator can't be a 'Relic Blade' on the table. Plenty of Space Wolf Frost Swords are just large chainswords so why not? It's still a distinct enough weapon to be different.

General Kroll wrote:Does the eviscerator do much to fix what was wrong with assault marines though? I mean the sergeant could already take the very similar powerfist. Besides giving them access to armourbane it doesn't do much.

It lets AM take a “hidden powerfist” that can’t be challenged out. This is a nice perk, as it adds some killing power to the squad that’s not character based. Enough to matter? That’s up to debate.

SharkoutofWata wrote:Just want to add that for modelling purposes, there is nothing that says an Eviscerator can't be a 'Relic Blade' on the table. Plenty of Space Wolf Frost Swords are just large chainswords so why not? It's still a distinct enough weapon to be different.

Yup. That’s what I did. The Teeth of Terra is basically a relic blade bumped up a notch, and is fluffed as a chainsword. And for the most part, people who can take relic blades also have access to the Chapter Relics table. Although if you are playing a chapter pulling from a different list, I could see going for a basic relic blade. WYS is a guy with a giant choppy thing, WYG is a guy with a giant choppy thing. The flavor might not be 100% accurate, but it gets the point across.

Eviscerators absolutely don't fix the core problem of Assault Marines. It is 25 points for 1 attack at S8 AP2 Armorbane. No thanks.




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 General Kroll wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
It's a Sisters weapon that was awkwardly shoehorned into a Marine list to give a specific unit a power boost because everyone agreed that unit was complete and utter crap. Vanguard don't get the same whines about them, so they didn't need the 'hotfix'.

Does the eviscerator do much to fix what was wrong with assault marines though? I mean the sergeant could already take the very similar powerfist. Besides giving them access to armourbane it doesn't do much.

Miko complains a lot about Sisters getting the shaft.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
It's a Sisters weapon that was awkwardly shoehorned into a Marine list to give a specific unit a power boost because everyone agreed that unit was complete and utter crap. Vanguard don't get the same whines about them, so they didn't need the 'hotfix'.

Does the eviscerator do much to fix what was wrong with assault marines though? I mean the sergeant could already take the very similar powerfist. Besides giving them access to armourbane it doesn't do much.

Miko complains a lot about Sisters getting the shaft.

It doesn't even really help sisters much except that it's a more powerful option than krak grenades for anti-walker/MC use (if the model survives, which is a pretty ask against AP2 at Initiative), but then krak grenades are bundled, while the eviscerator is fearsomely expensive for a relatively modest improvement with base Strength 3. It can be fun on a Canoness, but then she needs to be built to actually survive long enough to use it (which is far from easy) and is still only Strength 6 anyway thanks to GW's policy of "everyone pays the same for melee weapons even though base Strength is directly proportional to usefulness because that way marines players don't feel short-changed".

So to answer the original question; who cares
I mean, they look awesome, but the points are almost never worth it, even units that get them bundled like Sisters Repentia get little to no use out of them.

Miko complains a lot about Sisters getting the shaft.

Is it uncalled for? Nope

The Eviscerator issue is just another example of Space Marines needing to have everything that anyone else has, the most Flyers, special CC waepons from other army lists the works, plus the msot models and then Gw wodners why everyone buys Space Marines - self fulfilling prophercy...

Sad but true.

Yes, because never before have Space Marines used massive two-handed chainswords.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Just want to add that for modelling purposes, there is nothing that says an Eviscerator can't be a 'Relic Blade' on the table. Plenty of Space Wolf Frost Swords are just large chainswords so why not? It's still a distinct enough weapon to be different.

Good idea! I might go and use it as a counts as weapon when I start working on the rest of my 1st company marines, once the Termies are finished which should be in the next couple of hours!

 Haravikk wrote:

It doesn't even really help sisters much except that it's a more powerful option than krak grenades for anti-walker/MC use (if the model survives, which is a pretty ask against AP2 at Initiative), but then krak grenades are bundled, while the eviscerator is fearsomely expensive for a relatively modest improvement with base Strength 3. It can be fun on a Canoness, but then she needs to be built to actually survive long enough to use it (which is far from easy) and is still only Strength 6 anyway thanks to GW's policy of "everyone pays the same for melee weapons even though base Strength is directly proportional to usefulness because that way marines players don't feel short-changed".

So to answer the original question; who cares
I mean, they look awesome, but the points are almost never worth it, even units that get them bundled like Sisters Repentia get little to no use out of them.

Eh, its not that hard for a Cannoness to survive with an Eviscerator. She can have a re-rollable 4+ Invul save (thanks to Priests) with Eternal Warrior after all, and the drop to Initiative 1 isn't so bad when she's only I4 to start with. While S6 AP2 doesn't sound that fearsome, its about as good as it gets in the Sisters Codex. And thats still alright for taking on TEQ and T6 Monstrous Creatures.

Eviscerators used to get more use in the days of the Jump Canoness. Forcing your opponent to choose between Celestine's unit on one side of the board and the Canoness on the other have one of them a reasonable chance of making its points back.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Eviscerators absolutely don't fix the core problem of Assault Marines. It is 25 points for 1 attack at S8 AP2 Armorbane. No thanks.

Miko complains a lot about Sisters getting the shaft.

My point was that it was unimaginative and lazy, actually. I mean, Eviscerators are just Chainfists that don't require Terminator Armour to wield.

It's not that they're no-longer-unique-to-Sisters (they were already not unique because Priests in C:I and C:AM can take them), it's that the SM designers basically just grabbed a random item out of the imperial armoury and said 'this'll do' without actually looking at the problem (or the proposed solution!) properly.

So there. :p

Honestly, you like an abused faction and suddenly everyone's got a chip on their shoulder about you...

honestly I don't think the eviscrator was intended to solve problems, honestly I suspect it was more along the lines of "well since we're doing a new sprue we should give em something new weapon wise. ohh hey, the eviscriator is a two handed "super chain sword" assault marines all use chain swords, let's give them the eviscriator that'll look kinda cool"

in short I don't think it was added so much to address a weakness as "it looks cool"

BrianDavion wrote:
honestly I don't think the eviscrator was intended to solve problems, honestly I suspect it was more along the lines of "well since we're doing a new sprue we should give em something new weapon wise. ohh hey, the eviscriator is a two handed "super chain sword" assault marines all use chain swords, let's give them the eviscriator that'll look kinda cool"

in short I don't think it was added so much to address a weakness as "it looks cool"

I’m glad they at least used an established weapon. When the marketing guys are looking for a way to move kits to people who already own them, I’d rather it was something old then them inventing new things whole cloth. I’m also kinda glad they are not overpowered. Like needing to trade for grav gun bits.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Eviscerators absolutely don't fix the core problem of Assault Marines. It is 25 points for 1 attack at S8 AP2 Armorbane. No thanks.

Miko complains a lot about Sisters getting the shaft.

My point was that it was unimaginative and lazy, actually. I mean, Eviscerators are just Chainfists that don't require Terminator Armour to wield.

It's not that they're no-longer-unique-to-Sisters (they were already not unique because Priests in C:I and C:AM can take them), it's that the SM designers basically just grabbed a random item out of the imperial armoury and said 'this'll do' without actually looking at the problem (or the proposed solution!) properly.

So there. :p

Honestly, you like an abused faction and suddenly everyone's got a chip on their shoulder about you...

Aaaaand it really doesn't matter. The eviscerator isn't unique. So who cares? They needed a new kit anyway.

Also it is because Sisters players (though tied with them are CSM players) whine a lot. As the latter I'm guilty on occasion.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
It's a Sisters weapon that was awkwardly shoehorned into a Marine list to give a specific unit a power boost because everyone agreed that unit was complete and utter crap. Vanguard don't get the same whines about them, so they didn't need the 'hotfix'.

That's only because if one Imperium army gets something cool than SM must get it as well is some way.

As said, assault squads can get one, but it adds little or nothing to the unit.
Using it as a teeth of Terra is better IMO.



To people complaining about it, you do realise marine models have been made long before sisters that have one right?

However, its an "imperial" weapon.
Meaning all imperial armies have the use of it to some extent.


Hell, in fluff (and the old kroot WD army) kroot shapers and council had the use of them.



It's nothing unique to one faction, its just generally used more by sisters than most.

I love it. I point out my comment had nothing to do with uniqueness, and everyone still tells me off for wanting it to be unique!

It's almost like nobody actually bothers to read my posts properly!

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I love it. I point out my comment had nothing to do with uniqueness, and everyone still tells me off for wanting it to be unique!

It's almost like nobody actually bothers to read my posts properly!

Typical Tau player. You WOULD say that.

While this specific picture isn't mine, this model might be my favourite model in my entire Sisters army.

This crazy ass priest one day comes to work with his "Eviscerator." The other people are like "No... no that's... that's just a chainsaw, Ezekiel."

Zeke didn't listen. Zeke went to battle with an Eviscerator.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I love it. I point out my comment had nothing to do with uniqueness, and everyone still tells me off for wanting it to be unique!

It's almost like nobody actually bothers to read my posts properly!

How dare you say something like that! My mother was a saint!

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I love it. I point out my comment had nothing to do with uniqueness, and everyone still tells me off for wanting it to be unique!

It's almost like nobody actually bothers to read my posts properly!

Typical Tau player. You WOULD say that.

nuq 'oy'...

 Purifier wrote:


While this specific picture isn't mine, this model might be my favourite model in my entire Sisters army.

This crazy ass priest one day comes to work with his "Eviscerator." The other people are like "No... no that's... that's just a chainsaw, Ezekiel."

Zeke didn't listen. Zeke went to battle with an Eviscerator.

See this is what happens when Zeke didn't get his morning coffee.