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They actually remind me a lot of Mantic's Iron Ancestor from the Forgefather range. The more I look at these the more I dislike them as there are some solid ideas in here.
- The iconography is really cool
- Assault/Anti armour weapons being siege drills! That Forgeworld arm is one of my favourite things ever and the possibility of having more of them available.
- Frag launchers on infantry.

These could have been improved by simply being extra options for terminators rather than these ridiculous models.

Look better with helmets but still not sure, I just think from the torso down is to chunky, especially the feet. I have a feeling the devastator variant will look much better though

 Grimtuff wrote:
Centurions=terrible.

Looks like they've tried to take a few design notes from PP again. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander. The tiny heads make them look far too much like Exemplar Bastions, Khador's Man o War armour or Skorne Cataphracts.

I said ti before in this thread (maybe). GW are officially out of ideas. SMs do not need anything new, but we knew it was simply an inevitability they were going to be redone; even so, there are so many more ideas they could have come up with than something that looks like a terrible conversion of what certain people think "TRUscale" SMs look like.

Then again, if all rumors are true, this release has no huge kit (that every army is geting by popular oppinion), but instead focus on redoing and equipping lacking infantry options (unheard of for the last year or so).
This release is by all means a way in the right direction, if we are to believe the complaints of the former 6th ed codexes.

I don't understand how the marine is supposed to fit in. Where are his arms? Also, are those 40mm or 60mm bases? How big are these things?

I want to see them with the las cannon or grav cannon, can't wait to see the rules for grav cannon to see if it's worth it

Looks like they'd make a decent Oblit, get the high horned Chaos Marine Helm off the basic sgt from the chaos box, dump the sholderguards, paint up in Iron Warrior colors, I like it. Not so much for my Raven Guard though. Love the AA Rhino.

Weeeell, just as I guessed the different colors (yellow is *always* better!) and the helmets are an improvement. The static poses don't really help sell the models, though, especially for an assault variant; they look like kids dressed in oversized hockey goalkeeper suits. Let's hope we'll see some devastator variants soon.

Will they be plastic or finecast? Plastic models might offer better posing options than what we've seen so far - and the could be used as basis for interesting conversions, even if the actual models as they are now don't really blow me away.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Centurions=terrible.

Looks like they've tried to take a few design notes from PP again. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander. The tiny heads make them look far too much like Exemplar Bastions, Khador's Man o War armour or Skorne Cataphracts.

I said ti before in this thread (maybe). GW are officially out of ideas. SMs do not need anything new, but we knew it was simply an inevitability they were going to be redone; even so, there are so many more ideas they could have come up with than something that looks like a terrible conversion of what certain people think "TRUscale" SMs look like.

somewhat clever. that's probably their whole plan. cash in on all the people that think "truescale is omg so awesome"

I think their arms need to be bigger. Gw should probably add another melta ontop of the other melta and then on top of that melta, add another drill
I like how the guy on top of the hill is getting ready to go into a slow lumbering jog, he's gonna lose chunks of his armour doing that, like a crap lowered car with a body kit going over a speed bump.

I'm a bit annoyed they didn't remake the bikes, though. The first WD I ever bought was issue 207, and the battle report featured the exact same ones :-P

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I'm a bit annoyed they didn't remake the bikes, though. The first WD I ever bought was issue 207, and the battle report featured the exact same ones :-P

Think of how Eldar must feel!

Hmm... Same problem as Dreads. They look like they could not actually walk.


And GW was already doing so well with the Dreadknight. I thought they had Marine Walkers finally figured out

kb305 wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Centurions=terrible.

Looks like they've tried to take a few design notes from PP again. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander. The tiny heads make them look far too much like Exemplar Bastions, Khador's Man o War armour or Skorne Cataphracts.

I said ti before in this thread (maybe). GW are officially out of ideas. SMs do not need anything new, but we knew it was simply an inevitability they were going to be redone; even so, there are so many more ideas they could have come up with than something that looks like a terrible conversion of what certain people think "TRUscale" SMs look like.

somewhat clever. that's probably their whole plan. cash in on all the people that think "truescale is omg so awesome"

Haha, very true. On a side note; I knew they looked like something else. If you can find them, Mongoose's SST Cougar and Grizzly Exosuits look miles better as a stand in for these abominations IMO.

kb305 wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Centurions=terrible.

Looks like they've tried to take a few design notes from PP again. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander. The tiny heads make them look far too much like Exemplar Bastions, Khador's Man o War armour or Skorne Cataphracts.

I said ti before in this thread (maybe). GW are officially out of ideas. SMs do not need anything new, but we knew it was simply an inevitability they were going to be redone; even so, there are so many more ideas they could have come up with than something that looks like a terrible conversion of what certain people think "TRUscale" SMs look like.

somewhat clever. that's probably their whole plan. cash in on all the people that think "truescale is omg so awesome"

I think their arms need to be bigger. Gw should probably add another melta ontop of the other melta and then on top of that melta, add another drill
I like how the guy on top of the hill is getting ready to go into a slow lumbering jog, he's gonna lose chunks of his armour doing that, like a crap lowered car with a body kit going over a speed bump.

What, as opposed to people who think "heroic-gorilla-proportions is omg so awesome"? I'm beginning to think the truescale haters about these parts are just jealous they don't have the modelling chops to make such things themselves

As for the Centurions.....ugh. They're probably salvageable - integrate the weapons into the arms in place of the fists, shrink the shoulderpads, choose better heads, and do something with the thigh/crotchplate armour and perhaps the pose. Even then, I'll not be rushing out to buy them, and if the parts are placed out on the sprue as I suspect, fixing them will be a ton of work.

Like Eddie Izzard said, there's a fine line between looking cool and looking like a d!ckhead. The Cents are somewhere on that line for me.

Almost every Marine model are on the dicky side of the line, but these are so incredibly dickish that they sort of become a parody. So I think they're pretty cool.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I'm a bit annoyed they didn't remake the bikes, though. The first WD I ever bought was issue 207, and the battle report featured the exact same ones :-P

im suprised theyre redoing tacticals. surprised and a little scared after seeing the centurions. the current tactial marine kit is very good imo (even if it is old).

Their round shoulders and vertical chest guns actually remind me a lot of the Atlas from Battletech:





Only the centurions have even worse proportions.

I will 100% definitely not be buying these. The concept of a terminator dreadnought hybrid might have had potential.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Haha, very true. On a side note; I knew they looked like something else. If you can find them, Mongoose's SST Cougar and Grizzly Exosuits look miles better as a stand in for these abominations IMO.

Wow... those do look nice. Are those 60mm bases? And... can you still buy them somewhere? Mongoose's page didn't really help me.


Edit: Nevermind - I found the Judge Dredd Remix Version that's still on sale: http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/judge-dredd/the-justice-department/holocaust-judge-hs-2.html

kb305 wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I'm a bit annoyed they didn't remake the bikes, though. The first WD I ever bought was issue 207, and the battle report featured the exact same ones :-P

im suprised theyre redoing tacticals. surprised and a little scared after seeing the centurions. the current tactial marine kit is very good imo (even if it is old).

Prepare for 5 man tactical squad at the same price

Those centurions are pretty bad but I've got some hope for the Devastator versions. I really like the new tank especially the way it appears to be able to clamp itself to the ground for extra stability.

I know I'm late to the party but wow, how could anyone think those centurion things were good enough to go to production?

 vim_the_good wrote:

The Centurions are amazing. People that complain about the proportions do realise the marines arms don’t actually go inside the rigs arms right? Also. For the people complaining about the heads. Do you find yourself complaining about the sergeant on the front of the tactical marines box? Seriously, just swap it out!

Yes, my thoughts exactly.

Clearly the Centurions work like Tau Crisis Suits, with the operator sitting or suspended in the chest. Any Marine who could "wear" these would have to look like Mr Fantastic.

So essentially it's an armoured cockpit sitting on a pair of legs. Then it's simply a matter of adding weapons. Therefore, they don't need human proportions, they're kind of like an extremely tooled up and heavily armoured Sentinel.

As for aesthetics, well, that will always be subjective, but I like them. I've always had a liking for big, bulky robots (stick a helmeted head on and that's what they'll look like) and I find the "walking wall" look quite effective. They look like what I was expecting when I saw that old concept art: plodding, heavily armed walking tanks. They look enjoyable to paint and they should look quite impressive on the tabletop.

 Crimson wrote:
From BoLS:

Well, they perhaps look a tad better, still ugly though.

My god those are ugly. How do they even move with such stubby legs, do they waddle towards their enemies. Real scary stuff there

I think that they look exactly like what the marines would field for heavy armour. TDA did not start off as a SM thing, they were designed for dealings with plasma reactors. I could see the marines running around with these and then seeing a TDA and thinking ... that is lighter and faster ( as fast as terminators can be ) and opting to use them more often.

Hmmm... Those genuinely look bad.

It's a shame though. I feel that recently GW has been quite patchy in its drive towards new toys for each codex. In particular, the "big huge guns everywhere" syndrome makes these look much more infantile... (Although I get that we are talking about tiny plastic dudes here).

Seriously, the number of guns on those suits make it look like a 10 year olds dream space marine. Power fists with drills on the ends of them, with guns attached to the fist... Oh... And guns coming from the chest as well... Lol... 10 year olds wet dream. But... It does look super goofy. I can't believe Goodwin, who designed some of the most beautiful models in the GW portfolio let these guys through.

I remember when Calgar was released way back when, he stretched things with his gun fists, but this is a new level!

I feel the Riptide falls into this category as well actually....

While it makes sense from a business perspective, (those centurions will sell regardless), it is a real shame that they feel it is absolutely necessary to flog bigger, goofier stuff with each release. I thought the dread knight was goofy, but then came the wraith knight, riptide, forge fiends and now these centurion abominations.

My fear is that GW have basically created an endless escalation cycle. They MUST create new, bigger units with every release... How is this sustainable for the longer term if they want to keep true to this universe they have created?

 Ctan_Overlord wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
From BoLS:

Spoiler:

Well, they perhaps look a tad better, still ugly though.

My god those are ugly. How do they even move with such stubby legs, do they waddle towards their enemies. Real scary stuff there

I'm not exactly in the 40k loop but do we know what kind of a role these guys are supposed to fill because you are absolutely right, I can't see them moving once deployed.

Congratulations GW, you have managed to make Space Marines look lame. So glad I quite giving GW my money a while ago.

Best miniatures in the world? Compare these to some of the new plastic Malifaux crews, it's not contest.

GW's models are a joke, as are their game systems.

The centurion models seem really lazy to me, especially the feet (and I'm not normally a foot guy).

Hmmmm. If they're folding templars into this codex, I wonder if they'll re-release Bangles and Wolves as a supplement rather than a full blown codex? And I wonder if they regret the Dangles codex...

BTW, I never understood how these picture leaks work. Why people who leak these post just few random pictures of some units? They're obviously in position to take pics/scans, so why not post all units?

 Crimson wrote:
BTW, I never understood how these picture leaks work. Why people who leak these post just few random pictures of some units? They're obviously in position to take pics/scans, so why not post all units?

Because they're secretly leaked by GW.