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Davor wrote:


So what happened to the rumours that BT will not be put into the SM codex book.

They are still out there. Rumours contradict each other. Happens.

And it still kinda makes sense that Black Templars would get the Heavy Chainsword currently in the rulebook (but not used by any army, similar to how Eldar got Vector Dancer). But that would kinda necessitate a unique Black Templar release with miniatures for the heavy chainsword, which isn't part of this set of rumours.

Interesting that these rumours mention:

- detailed chapter tactics section
- Lots of space dedicated to first founding chapters
- Black Templars section

when we have rumours of a fairly extensive supplement list for codex chapters and a Black Templar codex.

How much salt do we need, and for which set of rumours?

 Zweischneid wrote:

Davor wrote:


So what happened to the rumours that BT will not be put into the SM codex book.

They are still out there. Rumours contradict each other. Happens.

And it still kinda makes sense that Black Templars would get the Heavy Chainsword currently in the rulebook (but not used by any army, similar to how Eldar got Vector Dancer). But that would kinda necessitate a unique Black Templar release with miniatures for the heavy chainsword, which isn't part of this set of rumours.

So would this be a BT supplement then? This I can see if true, anger alot of BT players, making them by 2 books to play their army they so love.

So, I won't be having a BT Codex and I'm guessing the LE cover will be only in English. I hope that Chapter Tactics rule will be wide enough to make Templars similar to what they were.

Also, plastic kits for units previously existing in metal or finecast are always good news.

That is all.

Edit: There is just one.....little worry erm.... what err... WHATS THIS MEAN FOR BT?!

Davor wrote:


So would this be a BT supplement then? This I can see if true, anger alot of BT players, making them by 2 books to play their army they so love.

Can't tell you.

My gut feeling tells me BT will not be rolled into the main Space Marines Codex. The kinda ranty "Codex: Space Marines instead of Codex: Ultramarines" also makes me doubt this set of rumours as (at least partly) wish-listing, rather than inside information. Also, lack of a big kit (whether Flyer, Walker or otherwise, I'd bet GW would do something "large").

Than again, Best_Pone is supposed to be a reliable rumour-source, so what do I know.

As a BT player ill take what I can get

Rumor monger probably saw the seperate BT codex. We were assured by GW writers that no current codecies will be lost. Im not worried in the least.

I'm not buying it. We always get this big list of new rumours with tons of stuff. What I expect to happen is that most stuff will stay the same, we'll get some re-coloured old artwork, then some big robot/action figure unit and a few units which are dual kits. Probably some unit which will seem completely silly...

If BT are finally a separate supplement for C:SM I will be mad for two reasons:

- Having to buy 2 books.

- The supplements are only available in English.

sockwithaticket wrote:
How much salt do we need, and for which set of rumours?

Quite a bit, and for both sets

Pone's record is spotless, so this seems pretty solid. If true, I have to say my bitterness and jealousy as Chaos player would know no bounds. New plastic marine infantry - both troops and elites - replacing ancient plastics and finecrap? Plastic HQs? Multiple AA options? Legion rules in the book? Neat new weapon options? It's like everything CSM players wanted or needed and had to settle for some dinozords instead of.

No, you also got the Dark Apostle.

If they made a 5-man sternguard box in plastic, added 5 of each combi-weapon type, a couple CC options for the sergeant, they could charge $50 for it and it would sell in droves. It's not the bodies, it's the weapons. I see a few possible people complaining, but most would accept that price, based on what it costs to buy individually now.

I hope we get a Knight Titan...My Astral Claws would be SUPER STOMPY then...

 dienekes96 wrote:
No, you also got the Dark Apostle.

And the War(p)smith...

Best pone, to my knowledge, has not been wrong yet.

I will take his word over most others.

re: apostles & smiths; Thank you for re-iterating my point.

In defense of the CSM release, the raptor dual kit is very nice, though sadly rather pointless on the table.

Otherwise, the CSM army is positively desperate for new marine infantry models. The current CSMs have not aged even close to as well as their loyalist counterparts, all four of the cult kits are positively awful, and chosen are available exclusively from the starter box, in non-poseable models that lack the vast majority of that unit's options (and are in fact armed quite poorly), and Havocs are still a hybrid box.

I can't recommend CSMs to any new players right now, and not due to codex complaints but rather because Essential elements of the faction's model line just aren't there, and yet GW wastes time adding two new AV12 walkers to a faction that already has 2 AV12 walkers they mostly don't use anyway? I know they don't release rules without models these days, but I'd have rather gone without new units altogether if it meant I could get some up to date infantry models, and I sure as heck would have bought a lot more of those then I have of the new daemon engines. It's very frustrating.


But off topic, I suppose. Anyway, again, I don't mean to knock this release. It sounds freaking amazing.

I'm thinking there were be only 1 veterans kit, 5 models, which you can make either sternguard or vanguard with. Just hope they remember to give you jump packs.


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 Malika2 wrote:
I'm not buying it. We always get this big list of new rumours with tons of stuff. What I expect to happen is that most stuff will stay the same, we'll get some re-coloured old artwork, then some big robot/action figure unit and a few units which are dual kits. Probably some unit which will seem completely silly...

True, but remember these are Spess Mehreens, GWs main army, and far as I can remember they always go all out with them when a new codex arrives.

I sure am gonna hold off the codex until a definate understanding of whats happening to the eternal crusaders.

To be fair space marines sell better than all the other armies...why shouldn't they get some love?

 BryllCream wrote:
To be fair space marines sell better than all the other armies...why shouldn't they get some love?

Holy Crap Bryllcream---

One of your responses that I can totally agree with!!

Pretty Sad about BT rolling in actually. If that happens I may just have to pick a new army

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:
To be fair space marines sell better than all the other armies...why shouldn't they get some love?

Holy Crap Bryllcream---

One of your responses that I can totally agree with!!

Yeah...it's uncanny, right? Finally a post that makes sense!

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
I hope we get a Knight Titan...My Astral Claws would be SUPER STOMPY then...

You mean a Knight? Or a Titan? Cos they're two different things....

Hey Ian--

I have some of the old epic plastic figs, werent they called Knight Titans?
It was so long ago when I played with them, im not sure what exactly they were called TBH...

Paging Platuan4th... Paging Platuan4th... STAT!!!

TyCorny wrote:
Pretty Sad about BT rolling in actually. If that happens I may just have to pick a new army

Why is even just the concept of being included in the Core Marine codex so offensive to BT players? If nothing else it would ensure more regular updates.

Is it inconceivable that a functional well received list could result?

 Eldarain wrote:

TyCorny wrote:
Pretty Sad about BT rolling in actually. If that happens I may just have to pick a new army

Why is even just the concept of being included in the Core Marine codex so offensive to BT players? If nothing else it would ensure more regular updates.

Is it inconceivable that a functional well received list could result?

Because every other army follows the codex (to an extent) while BT doesn't. It would make more sense to roll in BA than BT in. BT being rolled in just doesn't make sense, unless you change everything they stand for in every previous codex.

Sounds kinda cool I guess. I'm hoping these new Grav shenanigans and the new armour is way to OP. Knowing GW and their love of SMs, it could well be true. And there are innumerable SM players in our store...