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 Theophony wrote:
power armor on top of power armor and weapon load outs to be like a tau battle suit.

Why is this facepalm worthy?

Seriously, there are a ton of ways this could be done to make it interesting or at least visually distinctive. And why is different weapon loadouts a bad thing?

Anyways the way it is described meshes more and more with the "Manned Contemptor Armour" tidbit that one of the FW sculptors talked about last year.

For me it was about originality. It was the only self codex left that wasnt taken in my group minus sisters.

If it became a supplement it'd be just a little better as it'd still have its own book (at the cost of... well extra cost) but being rolled into a single book they'll only get likely just a few pages of originality instead of an entire book.

and lastly (and least applicable) jealousy. why do BA, SW, and mostly so far DA deserve an entire codex and not BT? or any other chapter for that matter? If the change in cover art also includes extra pages of info on those chapters maybe, but somehow I doubt that'll be the case

If they put a second FOC into the book that was for black Templars only, it would be fine that they got rolled into one. Or if there was a multi page subsection that described how a SM list would be forced to change to be a proper BT list, that would be fine. Otherwise, no, it won't be appropriate to those of us who prefer BT who really are different from other chapters. We can't just skip librarians, we need a bonus defense against psykers. We can't add scouts into our tactical squads. We can't have basic marines exchange bolters for CCW/BP. We can't have an emperors champion. We can't charge the enemy that shoots us, we have to fall back. These are all issues that we NEED to do, but can't by playing in the lines of the SM rules, without a unique FOC or a few pages of special rules and alterations to the list. Either option works in a SM codex, just saying they're differently painted does not.

September!?! Woah - Less than a month for GW's biggest product line release!

Ha and GW know their customers too well. The LE Codexes will sell ridiculously fast. Nice to see founding chapters getting some love although I hope other chapters get some too!

As always, it's nice to see new plastic kits. Although I hope the tanks aren't purely AA. It also blows my mind that it has taken them this long to produce a plastic librarian and chaplain! Now how about plastic LoTD? I wish.

The current marine line is already pretty well done so I wonder if the new tac marines are getting different poses or if there is just a new weapon sprue in it...

The new armor just sounds like techmarine armor/servo harness for regular marines. Should be a nice basis for conversions as this makes it appear there isn't a new plastic techmarine/thunderfire kit.

I hope the Librarian is half as awesome as the one in DV.

I kind of hope they make the Librarian look like the art of a Dark Angels Librarian in their book.

Y'know the one, striding forward with flames surrounding his hands and a look that makes you think "Oh crap".

I hope they make the Chaplain look like the one in that book as well. That mask/helmet is awesome.

You heard it here first Internet:

Plastic Dark Angels Chaplain and Librarians coming with Codex: Space Marines!

yeah,
The idea of chapter tactics sounds like trouble...
I have a feeling this will be ultramarines have combat tactics, while whaitscar have bikes as troops!, imperial fists are stubborn.
I fear for next 5 years we will be seeing blue white scar's, and imperial fists armies in black armour.

I imagine that the Plastic Sternguard/Vanguard Vets will be a dual kit? with loads of bling.

Mega Terminators... I dont see how this just apears in the fluff.
A new kind of armour invented after the hersey?
Isn't this stomping on tau toes! twice!
1. Big Piloted Suits.
2. New Tech! In the stagnent Imperium of man!

The new tank will be yet another rhino varient I imagine. Whirlwinds already look like an anti air defence unit.
Plus space marines already have good anti air! They have the stormTalon and stormRaven.

AHReese wrote:
! Now how about plastic LoTD? I wish.

If ever there was a unit to remove from the codex and give it's own supplement Its the LoTD.

Panic...

 Panic wrote:

Mega Terminators... I dont see how this just apears in the fluff.
A new kind of armour invented after the hersey?
Isn't this stomping on tau toes! twice!
1. Big Piloted Suits.
2. New Tech! In the stagnent Imperium of man!

I mentioned this a few times but the "Contemptor Dreadnought" is actually supposed to have a manned version.

Think less of "Battlesuits" and more "Exoskeletons".

Things I like about this rumour:
New model kits is kinda nice.
Return of graviton weapons.

 dienekes96 wrote:
I hope the Librarian is half as awesome as the one in DV.

Only half? I hope it's more awesome!

D

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Panic wrote:

Mega Terminators... I dont see how this just apears in the fluff.
A new kind of armour invented after the hersey?
Isn't this stomping on tau toes! twice!
1. Big Piloted Suits.
2. New Tech! In the stagnent Imperium of man!

I mentioned this a few times but the "Contemptor Dreadnought" is actually supposed to have a manned version.

Think less of "Battlesuits" and more "Exoskeletons".

Source?

I'm not doubting you, genuinely curious.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Panic wrote:

Mega Terminators... I dont see how this just apears in the fluff.
A new kind of armour invented after the hersey?
Isn't this stomping on tau toes! twice!
1. Big Piloted Suits.
2. New Tech! In the stagnent Imperium of man!

I mentioned this a few times but the "Contemptor Dreadnought" is actually supposed to have a manned version.

Think less of "Battlesuits" and more "Exoskeletons".

Source?

I'm not doubting you, genuinely curious.

One of the FW sculptors in the time leading up to IA12.

That was like two or so years ago from what I remember; so the name is kinda blanking on me.

I think the power armour on top of power armour will be more like a servo harness for the body allowing multiple weapon systems to be fired at once, one at full BS and the others at reduced BS. It may also increase general strength and tougness but reduce inititive.

Also heres hopeing the grav rifle isnt mega huge and is a cool sniper rifle style gun.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Panic wrote:

Mega Terminators... I dont see how this just apears in the fluff.
A new kind of armour invented after the hersey?
Isn't this stomping on tau toes! twice!
1. Big Piloted Suits.
2. New Tech! In the stagnent Imperium of man!

I mentioned this a few times but the "Contemptor Dreadnought" is actually supposed to have a manned version.

Think less of "Battlesuits" and more "Exoskeletons".

Aren't you mixing up the Contemptor for those Rogue Trader Dreadnoughts?

 Panic wrote:

AHReese wrote:
! Now how about plastic LoTD? I wish.

If ever there was a unit to remove from the codex and give it's own supplement Its the LoTD.

Panic...

Oh and while off topic, thanks for the great Realm of Battle Board writeup about painting/flocking - got that on bookmark!

I know that product causes some major arguments, but with the additional tiles that have come out since, I'm leaning towards it.

Has yours held up well?

 Malika2 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Panic wrote:

Mega Terminators... I dont see how this just apears in the fluff.
A new kind of armour invented after the hersey?
Isn't this stomping on tau toes! twice!
1. Big Piloted Suits.
2. New Tech! In the stagnent Imperium of man!

I mentioned this a few times but the "Contemptor Dreadnought" is actually supposed to have a manned version.

Think less of "Battlesuits" and more "Exoskeletons".

Aren't you mixing up the Contemptor for those Rogue Trader Dreadnoughts?

Maybe. I just know that I remember the Contemptor being mentioned as having a manned version.

I'm still expecting banners to be hugely important to running a 6th edition space marine army, like the Bretonnians of WHFB a few editions back. The DA codex already upped the banner game and we all know how GW loves to +1 the DA codex with the Space Marine codex.

Oh, and lots of MC hunting options and gear.

My guess which im sticking to is BT will be a supplement and they are releasing a BT cover sm codex so it make you feel like a `true' BT player.

Would prefer proper codex but as long as BT stay BT, its all good playa.

 BryllCream wrote:
To be fair space marines sell better than all the other armies...why shouldn't they get some love?

Well, one could argue that if they're such good sellers as-is then that's a good enough argument for them not needing any more attention. The line already sells (and these are mostly old molds that have long been paid off at that), so just let the cash keep flowing and spend the time/money refreshing other product lines in the interest of having more than just the one successful product line. Why fix what isn't broken, right?

Before anyone starts getting huffy I'll freely admit I'm just being argumentative right now, but it makes sense to me.

All sounds great!

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
And an all new gun? If they're going to give us something new like that, why not give us the Volkite weaponry from the HH book, rather than something mostly unheard of?

The Graviton Gun isn't something new. It's just another 2nd ed throwback, dusted off and returned to the game. As opposed to Volkite weapons, which are something that Forgeworld came up with for the Horus Heresy range...

The thing I find weird is a new Tactical Squad box AND a new Sternguard box.

I would have thought they wouldn't have bothered with a new Tactical squad at all. Seems a bit redundant.

The Blood Angels 'Death Company' kit for example, works great when mixed in with Tacticals to make more unique units. Surely an equivalent Sternguard box would have pulled off the same for codex marines?

It's particularly odd for them to be adding new kits instead of rolling them in as options for existing kits when they already lack the space to keep the whole range on the shelf...

I forsee the new tanks and veterans being a splash release and then Direct-only...

 insaniak wrote:
The Graviton Gun isn't something new. It's just another 2nd ed throwback, dusted off and returned to the game.

The Hunter seems to be another throwback, but from Epic:



http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hunter
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490039a&prodId=prod1110025

 BryllCream wrote:
There is nothing in that post that I do not like.

Agreed... heck, I'm even a sucker enough that I might want a limited cover version just so it doesn't have ultramarines on it!

 Sidstyler wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:
To be fair space marines sell better than all the other armies...why shouldn't they get some love?

Well, one could argue that if they're such good sellers as-is then that's a good enough argument for them not needing any more attention. The line already sells (and these are mostly old molds that have long been paid off at that), so just let the cash keep flowing and spend the time/money refreshing other product lines in the interest of having more than just the one successful product line. Why fix what isn't broken, right?

Before anyone starts getting huffy I'll freely admit I'm just being argumentative right now, but it makes sense to me.

Codex updates frequently nerf good stuff, and make bad stuff better. They also release new units. Players are left with the decision to stick with what they have and get beaten, or buy more stuff. Most choose the latter. Thus codex updates generate sales. Given that there are tons of marine players, the new dex should be a big winner for GW. (Also, there is no sign that GW is abandoning the old plastic molds. The stuff that is being replaced is finecast.)

I wish all of this were not true, as the last thing we need is more SM, but sadly I think it is. Lets all look forward to more Marine vs Marine action.

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Hey Ian--

I have some of the old epic plastic figs, werent they called Knight Titans?
It was so long ago when I played with them, im not sure what exactly they were called TBH...

They were not EVER called Knight Titans. They were named Knight X, with x being the style of the Knight class warmachine, such as the Knight Paladin(chain sword, battle cannon, twin heavy bolters), which is the variety everyone is thinking when they say Knights.

In fact, the original entry for Knights is pretty explicit about NOT being Titans. They are an independent military force tied to specific worlds allied to the Adeptus Mechanicus and Titanicus, but they're a military order of knights(the Knights literally being their steeds) that organize to defend their planet from entire armies alone and occasionally join Titanicus forces to fulfil their oath to the Mechanicus.

The order of warmachines: Robots - Knights - Titans. Each is then divided into different classes(type of armament and style for robots and Knights, different sizes for Titans).

Hmmm, I want to believe, I am inclined to believe given the source's apparent track record, but...

This fits with a lot of the early rumours we got for Eldar (loads of plastic kits) which, when those settled out were nowhere near as numerous. I can buy the exo armour, and the new (I assume) Rhino variants. But since 6th dropped there have been several kits that probably needed updating way more than the Tac Squad that have been passed over, and I think I'm right in saying that no existing boxed set has been updated and only new kits have launched?

That said, an LE Raven Guard book could concievably have me reaching for my wallet and Spesh Mahrines are the golden boys, so why wouldn't they be special?