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They say the prison is about 3 battlezones' worth of terrain, so $75 at KS prices. A 2'x2' MDF board costs something like $5 raw.

I'm not sure the hex etching and some antenocities gubbinz are worth the extra $100. I'm really, really not.

Not seeing it myself at KS prices 3 BZ = $75 MDF pitch = $25 and probably $25 worth of AW stuff, Acrylic doors $? depends on the Acrylic and Courier shipping $15. Think that's about $150 worth. At 4 BZ it might be on the money.

There's a lot of profit in that set for them given it's all pretty much made already and they are paying for raw materials only for the BZ. But they can't price it cheaper than previous KS prices or there will be complaints

The dice aren't exactly what Fenzy backers are looking for value wise either.


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They might do the Acrylic doors as a separte add on for those who already have the BZs.

^They might get a few bucks out of me on the survey for some doors, if they can show them to look nice without a stupid amount of work.

Acrylic doors may look nice, but I suspect they don't add to the game and in fact may make figure placement more of a hassle, and mess with LOS determination.

Well yeah I dunno if they're really meant to be particularly useful. I believe in the picture they're blocking prison cells, so those guys probably don't get to come out while the game is on (if the cells are even occupied to begin with, their contents may be all out on the field). What they will do, is look nice. A sweet option for replacing/swapping with the doors that already come on core worlds sprues.

Could have a different in-game use for games like deadzone, or other games that you're using your DZ scenery with too, normal door can be picked, force field has to be shorted or hacked, force field door permits bodies but not bullets, normal door has to be opened first etc.

I don't disagree that they'd be fiddly and potentially more trouble than they're worth, but personally, I would quite like to have some for various purposes. And scratch making them myself, I'm bad at cutting nice shapes out, even with stencils and sharp blades, forget it.

There's a posibility of Acrylic window inserts as well - now those I would like for the complete buildings that I don't need access to the inside of.

Creator Mantic Games about 2 hours ago

@ Vermonter - looking at putting the doors (and maybe some windows) up as a secondary add-on as well

Oh lordy windows too, I would definitely have to dig up some cash for the survey then, things like that push me even further away from spending anything on the actual DBX stuff though

:Mildly Irritated Face: Looks like they have time to ask me why I lowered my DBX pledge, and respond after I got back to them, but not time to reply to a query about my DZ invoice and if they needed me to fill out another missing parts form. =/

 GrimDork wrote:


:Mildly Irritated Face: Looks like they have time to ask me why I lowered my DBX pledge, and respond after I got back to them, but not time to reply to a query about my DZ invoice and if they needed me to fill out another missing parts form. =/

So now to get a valid customer service response from Mantic: Pledge their newest KS to the tune of 500$, then a few days alter pull that pledge and then they will look into your issues! Brilliant!

 GrimDork wrote:
Oh lordy windows too, I would definitely have to dig up some cash for the survey then, things like that push me even further away from spending anything on the actual DBX stuff though

:Mildly Irritated Face: Looks like they have time to ask me why I lowered my DBX pledge, and respond after I got back to them, but not time to reply to a query about my DZ invoice and if they needed me to fill out another missing parts form. =/

Wow. They contacted you personally to ask why you lowered your pledge? I hope you added the DZ issues in your reply to help them connect the dots. (even if they weren't 100% related).

The first message could easily have been automated, and I assume it was. The second wasn't particularly specific, but less likely to be automated.

My MA survey did finally return a summary, so there's something I don't have to worry about (having filled it out right, not having it fulfilled, will be quickdrawing the phone/email/ks messages if I don't have shipping information that changes like it's supposed to when everyone else is getting theirs )

@Azazelx, I didn't in the first reply, but I did after you made it sound like such a good idea Probably won't open it now they've got their answer though.

Down to $4,272 yesterday, despite the new money sink.

So apparently a mousemat Dreadball pitch has been confirmed, according to the KS comments. I'm not going to trawl, so has anyone seen this?

So yesterday's update went down like a lead ballon -4 backers today -$727 and lost 8 Frenzy pledges hopefully they can rally later today needs an update to reassure Frenzy backers or the backslide will have begun.

 DaveC wrote:
So yesterday's update went down like a lead ballon -4 backers today -$727 and lost 8 Frenzy pledges hopefully they can rally later today needs an update to reassure Frenzy backers or the backslide will have begun.

Not reassure, reward. It should not be taking this long to unlock teams, so they should just go "You know what? Space shark men are in! Please don't leave me."

 AlexHolker wrote:
Not reassure, reward. It should not be taking this long to unlock teams

I was wondering about this. Mantic said "Frenzy" was modeled after "Minecart" from that Cthulhu meets Westerns game. But what was "Minecart" actually like? Why did it succeed? Did the stretch goals come a lot faster? Why did people perceive "Minecart" as a bonanza in a way that they obviously aren't doing for "Frenzy"? I'm talking specifically about the mid-game pricing / rewards / customer perceptions that made "Minecart" a bonanza by the end of the campaign, not the actual deal it became by the end of the KS campaign. Curious what anyone better informed about that campaign than I am thinks. Did it have lots of $5,000 stretch goals or something? If it's a simple case of "Stretch goals still cost a lot more for Frenzy than they did for Minecart," then Mantic didn't quite do their homework as thoroughly as they should have.

If I recall correctly (and I may not) Minecart initially included a lot of add ons that were listed up front, and as more were listed/unlocked it just became better.

For Frenzy we are supposed to assume as of yet unknown goals will be met, and that these goals will increase the value of the pledge to the point the money pledged seems reasonable or even a good value.

Right now, it is not there though I am promised it will be. At the same time, I can see that Rampage gets me what I am really after at this point especially concerning the goals already announced and achieved.

Shadows of Brimstone (the minecart creator) had really close stretch goals for a long time, and things were constantly being added to the mine cart up until the very last day.

Mantic's not giving enough reason to stay up at that price range still. With the minecart, it was there from day one. There was no possibility of it being a good deal. It was from the very first moment the KS went live.

The later, more expensive levels fought a bit of a battle, but again, they were completely offset by the amount of stuff you got, plus an extra 75 credit to spend in the pledge manager as well.

I am still surprised that they have not gone the Deadzone crossover route to generate some extra backers and cash. One thing that comes to mind is the possible scale difference, my recollections of the few Dreadball minis I have seen is that they are quite small.

It also seems a weird time for the total to be going backwards. I think this was timed so that most people got paid during the mid-point of the campaign to provide it with a cash boost during the traditional slowing point of your average KS but that extra income has not come in.

Well, Mantic could have done $100k to fund, then another $250k for 10 teams if they really wanted to have Frenzy fully decked out at the $350k mark, and then from there have a solid base to do all the MVPS, alt sculpts, prones, sponsors etc. for the rest of the campaign.

The error was getting a little too excited on day 1.

At the moment, it looks like it'll roughly match the original DB KS in terms of final total. It'll limp its way to $500k over the next 9 days, then another $250k in the last few days.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Well, Mantic could have done $100k to fund, then another $250k for 10 teams if they really wanted to have Frenzy fully decked out at the $350k mark, and then from there have a solid base to do all the MVPS, alt sculpts, prones, sponsors etc. for the rest of the campaign.

The error was getting a little too excited on day 1.

At the moment, it looks like it'll roughly match the original DB KS in terms of final total. It'll limp its way to $500k over the next 9 days, then another $250k in the last few days.

That's a pretty good estimate, but I'm still cautious about it as I just think they're going to have to add a bunch of artificial goals that don't have to be stretched to get people backing Frenzy. Right now I believe it still doesn't even break even as far as what you're paying in, still.

If they don't get more teams and value going into the last day then they will be dependent on their limited supply of rampages and ad-ons to get a high last day total and in that case I just don't see that being enough to make Frenzy the same value as Rampage.

I'll stick with it. I mean I have until the last day to decide, but I honestly think Rampage is where a lot of people from Frenzy will end up in the end.

And there we go Original Dreadball pitch on rubber Mat $20 looks like it may be included in Frenzy.



Unlocking a season 5 team a day for the next 3 days is a good move.

Cyrstallans today, Sphyr Wednesday and Rebs Thursday. Brokkrs still unlock at $400k. Expect lots of add ons tomorrow.

All Frenzy pledge levels will be closed midnight GMT Sunday March 9th after that you have to wait for a drop out.

The slight discount for 16 player team is new as well.

Have Mantic mentioned why they included convicts and asterians in the starter?
I have to be honest I'm likely to drop out at this point, I have zero interest in any of the teams and it feels ridiculous to be pledging in the hope they might reach the goal and release a team I like.

^ Not quite sure, but they're actually my least favourite out of all the teams so far.

I love the look of all the season 5 teams, really tough decision to pick the freebie there.

New update has worked nicely, +$3k in the space of a few minutes. If they can clear out all the Frenzies by Sunday then they'll have at least another $100k of funding sorted.

I think I may be the only person who likes the Convict team.

This update is pretty huge and very much needed. It was getting hard to watch the pledge amount bounce up and down. I doubt this was what they originally wanted to do, but at least they continue to show they are willing to adapt during these things.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Time for everyone sitting on both Early Birds to start dropping out, maybe the backslide will make Mantic panic enough to start just throwing freebies at people. It's worked every time so far!

Aaand done.

Suddenly unlocking 3 teams for "free" shows just how bogus the whole stretch goal mechanic is.

So, if a crystallan player gets whacked with an entering ball does he shatter?

Lyra the fixer is in, updated the OP.

Rampage now has 93 minis, only 10 less than the original Striker pledge level, and $273 value.

Frenzy has 149 minis and $388 total value (based on KS prices, not retail).

...So, crystallan teams only for DBX, not DB original? Meh. Really not helping me stay in :(

^ Really? Thought they were all getting DBO rules in the season books.

Good time to hover around the KS and grab an EB Rampage right now, lots of people are ditching theirs for Frenzy.

Mantic dude said in the vid they were unlicensed or unincorporated or whatnot; they don't get to play in the official leagues.

Don't bite me please, I was just jumping on what sounded rather disappointing. And OTOH, there's DB original rules for the fething martians; I'd be somewhat miffed if that was okay and non-canon rules for these guys wasn't.

Perhaps it allows them to do something rules-wise that wouldn't work in 'regular' DB, and would be so different they'd rather not have two identical-looking teams playing completely differently because of a different version of the same ruleset?

Ehh, whatever. I'm sort of considering Azazeling this one anyway - venting my opinion on cheesecake minis is the sort of thing that tends to get one banned and the convics aren't all that evocative either - like the bots though, and the plague (variety for DZ models, yay! not as if I'll ever play DB with them but that's not really a problem) are horrible in a good way.

Shame they keep sticking you with teams you couldn't give a rat's ass about, really. There's plenty of lovely stuff but a lot of it isn't in rampage - but rampage does have scenery, book, board, tiles, the kind of stuff that adds up just a bit too much as add-ons.