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Fine, but you cant then dismiss an opponent then trotting out an example where it doesn't do what you say. Each example is a valid as any other. If all your data is suspect as being false then you do not have a stable foundation for your argument do you?

And unfortunately as Peregrine keeps trotting out, official does not mean canon. If anything, SW would win because it has a recognised canon policy that 40K lacks.

Cheers

Andrew

 AndrewC wrote:
Fine, but you cant then dismiss an opponent then trotting out an example where it doesn't do what you say. Each example is a valid as any other. If all your data is suspect as being false then you do not have a stable foundation for your argument do you?

And unfortunately as Peregrine keeps trotting out, official does not mean canon. If anything, SW would win because it has a recognised canon policy that 40K lacks.

Cheers

Andrew

But then wouldn't his argument be similar and based unstable ground as well? As it is just the opposite? Other games have no canon policy and yet everything in the game is considered canon.

Does a game need a canon policy or are we just attributing that to it because other universes do?

No a game doesn't need a canon policy, but when comparing two universes, you need to have a stable baseline upon which to build. The reasoning behind a canon policy, as far as I can tell, is to have a level of truth that can be accepted by all. ie these facts are true. 40K doesn't have that, by their own admission. So if 40K doesn't have any 'truth' then how can you make the comparison?

Does 40K need a canon policy? No it doesn't, but it then becomes next to impossible to compare it. Canon is a common denominator that allows the comparison, without it it becomes he says she says and everybody starts dancing round in circles.

Cheers

Andrew

 AndrewC wrote:
No a game doesn't need a canon policy, but when comparing two universes, you need to have a stable baseline upon which to build. The reasoning behind a canon policy, as far as I can tell, is to have a level of truth that can be accepted by all. ie these facts are true. 40K doesn't have that, by their own admission. So if 40K doesn't have any 'truth' then how can you make the comparison?

Does 40K need a canon policy? No it doesn't, but it then becomes next to impossible to compare it. Canon is a common denominator that allows the comparison, without it it becomes he says she says and everybody starts dancing round in circles.

Cheers

Andrew

AS most of this thread has become. But we have to agree on a baseline. Which is what I have been trying to do.

If we have a baseline we all agree on, say that all the codexes are the true only canon.

40k always wins because of how stupidly over the top and stupidly powerful it is. If your favorite scifi loses to 40k then your favorite is reasonably grounded.

That being said, any time the republic or the sith has comitted to a ground war they've always had issues. In 40k however ground wars are always immense undertakings with massive resources committed. A republic ground force could not withstand an armageddon sized orc invasion, let alone an imperial incursion.
A jedi would probably have a chance against a regular tactical marine or a scout, but would be absolutley crushed by a grey knight or aspect warrior. Jedi are fast and agile but so are marines, even in their armor, to say nothing of the speed of a howling banshee or wytch.

Void battles though i believe star wars would accell at. With jedi based battle ship command via mind linking ships and the idea that 40k ships, atleast the larger frigates, are slow to come about. Gennerally starwars ships are shown to be very manuverable and better armed.

All that being said star wars isnt even scifi so....lol

die toten hosen wrote:
40k always wins because of how stupidly over the top and stupidly powerful it is. If your favorite scifi loses to 40k then your favorite is reasonably grounded.

That being said, any time the republic or the sith has comitted to a ground war they've always had issues. In 40k however ground wars are always immense undertakings with massive resources committed. A republic ground force could not withstand an armageddon sized orc invasion, let alone an imperial incursion.
A jedi would probably have a chance against a regular tactical marine or a scout, but would be absolutley crushed by a grey knight or aspect warrior. Jedi are fast and agile but so are marines, even in their armor, to say nothing of the speed of a howling banshee or wytch.

Void battles though i believe star wars would accell at. With jedi based battle ship command via mind linking ships and the idea that 40k ships, atleast the larger frigates, are slow to come about. Gennerally starwars ships are shown to be very manuverable and better armed.

All that being said star wars isnt even scifi so....lol

The galactic empire and the republic would not be able to handle anything the Tyranids or what the orks could dish out. Orks are vastly more intelligent and clever than they appear. Tyranids are all consuming forces and if you kill one of them a billion more are coming towards you.

The imperial ground forces aren't really jokes, and star wars act similarly to the Imperium building trench lines.

Then again, if we're including the Old Republic, then SW might win, because the Old Republic has the "buddy cop" scenario of HK-51 and Treek in it. Quis contra nos?

He's an assassin droid programmed with the latest in termination protocols!


She's a carnivorous teddy bear from the moon of Endor who's killed more sentients than the Black Plague and collects body parts as trophies!



Together they are "Clanker & Cuddles"! Available now on holo-net comm 345.936.4506!

 Psienesis wrote:
Then again, if we're including the Old Republic, then SW might win, because the Old Republic has the "buddy cop" scenario of HK-51 and Treek in it. Quis contra nos?

He's an assassin droid programmed with the latest in termination protocols!


She's a carnivorous teddy bear from the moon of Endor who's killed more sentients than the Black Plague and collects body parts as trophies!



Together they are "Clanker & Cuddles"! Available now on holo-net comm 345.936.4506!

Not going to lie that is kind of awesome. But from what I found we also got Ciaphas Cain.

Forget Cain - 40K has Schaeffer and his 13th Penal Legion.

 Happyjew wrote:
Forget Cain - 40K has Schaeffer and his 13th Penal Legion.

Or 1st and Only Tanith.

Treek will murder and eat them in their sleep.

 Psienesis wrote:
Treek will murder and eat them in their sleep.

Eh. I don't know. Gaunt his ghosts are pretty freaking powerful. And their plot armor is so deep that not even a Space Marine can deal with them!

You have not born witness to the horror that is Treek.

 Psienesis wrote:
You have not born witness to the horror that is Treek.

Oh what about DOOMBREED vs Treek?

"Do not trust these people, Chief! They are too tall, and have talons endless! I shall wear their beaks with pride!"

-- Treek, on Rishi, speaking of the native inhabitants.

 Asherian Command wrote:

die toten hosen wrote:
40k always wins because of how stupidly over the top and stupidly powerful it is. If your favorite scifi loses to 40k then your favorite is reasonably grounded.

That being said, any time the republic or the sith has comitted to a ground war they've always had issues. In 40k however ground wars are always immense undertakings with massive resources committed. A republic ground force could not withstand an armageddon sized orc invasion, let alone an imperial incursion.
A jedi would probably have a chance against a regular tactical marine or a scout, but would be absolutley crushed by a grey knight or aspect warrior. Jedi are fast and agile but so are marines, even in their armor, to say nothing of the speed of a howling banshee or wytch.

Void battles though i believe star wars would accell at. With jedi based battle ship command via mind linking ships and the idea that 40k ships, atleast the larger frigates, are slow to come about. Gennerally starwars ships are shown to be very manuverable and better armed.

All that being said star wars isnt even scifi so....lol

The galactic empire and the republic would not be able to handle anything the Tyranids or what the orks could dish out. Orks are vastly more intelligent and clever than they appear. Tyranids are all consuming forces and if you kill one of them a billion more are coming towards you.

The imperial ground forces aren't really jokes, and star wars act similarly to the Imperium building trench lines.

Thats basically what i said

die toten hosen wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

die toten hosen wrote:
40k always wins because of how stupidly over the top and stupidly powerful it is. If your favorite scifi loses to 40k then your favorite is reasonably grounded.

That being said, any time the republic or the sith has comitted to a ground war they've always had issues. In 40k however ground wars are always immense undertakings with massive resources committed. A republic ground force could not withstand an armageddon sized orc invasion, let alone an imperial incursion.
A jedi would probably have a chance against a regular tactical marine or a scout, but would be absolutley crushed by a grey knight or aspect warrior. Jedi are fast and agile but so are marines, even in their armor, to say nothing of the speed of a howling banshee or wytch.

Void battles though i believe star wars would accell at. With jedi based battle ship command via mind linking ships and the idea that 40k ships, atleast the larger frigates, are slow to come about. Gennerally starwars ships are shown to be very manuverable and better armed.

All that being said star wars isnt even scifi so....lol

The galactic empire and the republic would not be able to handle anything the Tyranids or what the orks could dish out. Orks are vastly more intelligent and clever than they appear. Tyranids are all consuming forces and if you kill one of them a billion more are coming towards you.

The imperial ground forces aren't really jokes, and star wars act similarly to the Imperium building trench lines.

Thats basically what i said

I was agreeing with you.

die toten hosen wrote:
40k always wins because of how stupidly over the top and stupidly powerful it is. If your favorite scifi loses to 40k then your favorite is reasonably grounded.

That being said, any time the republic or the sith has comitted to a ground war they've always had issues. In 40k however ground wars are always immense undertakings with massive resources committed. A republic ground force could not withstand an armageddon sized orc invasion, let alone an imperial incursion.
A jedi would probably have a chance against a regular tactical marine or a scout, but would be absolutley crushed by a grey knight or aspect warrior. Jedi are fast and agile but so are marines, even in their armor, to say nothing of the speed of a howling banshee or wytch.

Void battles though i believe star wars would accell at. With jedi based battle ship command via mind linking ships and the idea that 40k ships, atleast the larger frigates, are slow to come about. Gennerally starwars ships are shown to be very manuverable and better armed.

All that being said star wars isnt even scifi so....lol

If the 40k forces don't win the space battle, there would be no ground war, would it?

You have to remember though, they would also be fighting elder, orks, 'nids, ect. And AFAIK it's only the big ships who turn slowly, but I think that's true for SW as well? And are SW ships really more well armed than 40ks? I mean, we're talking about nova cannons and stuff here.

Another thing to consider is ramming and boarding. Something the SW ships probably won't be ready for. As well as the fact that 40k space batotles usually take place with the individual ships massive distances away from each other and SW seems relatively close up, although that might just be to make the movies look good.

And there is stuff like Blackstone fortresses (depeding on the time-frame) and the necron's crazy
stuff

Treek: