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What was wrong with the coverage? You knew about it.
Because I have family that lives pretty close to there, and a sister in law that went to UT at the time. I wouldn't have otherwise.
Or are you trying to compare it to the protests about the racism in the police departments?
They're not related at all.
You know where the guilty are not arrested, not indicted, not convicted and get nation wide coverage defending the murderer, and the police go on strike to defend the guilty
So glad you're the arbiter of guilt for the US.
or are you upset because there wasn't nationwide media coverage defending the murderers of channon & chris?
The story was largely ignored nationwide. Today, and with the roles reversed, Holder would be involved and the "good Revs" would be high up on their horse.
That's the fuckery I'm talking about.
Yep, I'm the arbiter of guilt, and you're the speaker & puppet master for the "good revs" it seems.
If you want the media to cover every murder in the US, you'd probably need 3 or more news channels running 24/7 at the rate you guys are killing each other.
Woah, woah, woah there brother we don't kill each other. Guns kill each other.
I don't know how it is in Canada, but kidnapping a couple of a different race, raping and torturing them over several days, and then murdering them is a little unnatural here in the States.
Ding ding ding.
Casey Anthony's sorry ass was national news for a loooooong time.
I don't know how it is in Canada, but kidnapping a couple of a different race, raping and torturing them over several days, and then murdering them is a little unnatural here in the States.
Isn't that the entire natural history of the south you're quoting? seems like par for the course for them.
You only think that because the news doesn't cover all the murders that happen daily in the states. As this happened in the states, and you have had people also eating people in the states. It does seem natural for you guys.
And no Fraz, I'm not going to indulge you with pics, but if you're mom is from NO, how can you really be a texan eh? Let's see your birth certificate!
Some of us predate birth certificates, or writing...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
And no Fraz, I'm not going to indulge you with pics, but if you're mom is from NO, how can you really be a texan eh? Let's see your birth certificate!
Every now and then, a mutation occurs that makes a child Texan no matter where in the world the child is born. Frazzled is numbers 1 through 12 of these mutations ever.
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
In the Beginning there was Darkness and Void. Then TBone was created, and shortly thereafter the darkness smelled like old wiener dog pee.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I don't know how it is in Canada, but kidnapping a couple of a different race, raping and torturing them over several days, and then murdering them is a little unnatural here in the States.
Isn't that the entire natural history of the south you're quoting? seems like par for the course for them.
You only think that because the news doesn't cover all the murders that happen daily in the states. As this happened in the states, and you have had people also eating people in the states. It does seem natural for you guys.
And no Fraz, I'm not going to indulge you with pics, but if you're mom is from NO, how can you really be a texan eh? Let's see your birth certificate!
I'm quite aware the news doesn't cover all the murders in the US, the local news doesn't even report on all the murders in Memphis, TN. The difference is shooting up a liquor store in north memphis isn't news. Kidnap, rape, torture, and the murder of a young couple is, no matter their race or color. Just because they were whites murdered by blacks doesn't mean it should be shushed up and swept under the rug.
Yes, I meant Baltimore. It may have been a slave state, but it was not a confederate state. It straddled the line, and was not affected by the Emancipation Proclamation. Majority of it's enlisted soldiers fought for the Union.
I don't know how it is in Canada, but kidnapping a couple of a different race, raping and torturing them over several days, and then murdering them is a little unnatural here in the States.
Ding ding ding.
Casey Anthony's sorry ass was national news for a loooooong time.
This barely registered a blip.
Well, Casey Anthony's story was both 1) a mystery, and 2) about a white woman doing terrible things. Most of the time, long running news stories involve either unanswered questions, or pretty spectacular novelty.
It appears that in this case, arrests were quick, there was no special interest angle, and hardly anybody felt that there was a genuine controversy in the case itself.
The generic answer to the class of questions built around "why did the media spend so much time on Trayvon Martin/Feguson/Baltimore/etc, and they didn't cover this story?" is almost always: controversial stories make for good ratings. People take sides, they watch, they want to know more. Open and shut cases, in which nobody really disagrees on the good or the bad of it, just aren't that interesting.
Yes, I meant Baltimore. It may have been a slave state, but it was not a confederate state. It straddled the line, and was not affected by the Emancipation Proclamation. Majority of it's enlisted soldiers fought for the Union.
The news doesn't cover black crime in the same sensationalist light. Hell, even the DC snipers quickly fell out of the media once there were identified. And even though the sniper openly cited racism as a motive, it was never mentioned in the media.
The white girls mobbed while crowds chanted "feth up the whiteys" was deemed as non hate related.
The US media pisses itself when asked to report fairly.
Sinful Hero wrote: I'm quite aware the news doesn't cover all the murders in the US, the local news doesn't even report on all the murders in Memphis, TN. The difference is shooting up a liquor store in north memphis isn't news. Kidnap, rape, torture, and the murder of a young couple is, no matter their race or color. Just because they were whites murdered by blacks doesn't mean it should be shushed up and swept under the rug.
Except it wasn't hushed up, and it wasn't swept under a rug.
It was reported, openly.
The perpetrators were arrested, tried, and convicted, openly.
It was not a major news story, and there could be reasons for that. It could be that all major national news outlets conspired to underreport the story out of slavish obedience to some PC principles. It could be that while tragic and horrible, it's not that interesting a story beyond a, "oh my god, that's awful." No manhunt, no real question about who did it, no real racial or other motives that anybody remotely partial felt existed, no underlying questions about if young attrative couples are systematically oppressed by black gangs.
It's just a random, horrible crime. They happen, they get some coverage, and then the new cycle moves on.
I don't know how it is in Canada, but kidnapping a couple of a different race, raping and torturing them over several days, and then murdering them is a little unnatural here in the States.
Isn't that the entire natural history of the south you're quoting? seems like par for the course for them.
You only think that because the news doesn't cover all the murders that happen daily in the states. As this happened in the states, and you have had people also eating people in the states. It does seem natural for you guys.
And no Fraz, I'm not going to indulge you with pics, but if you're mom is from NO, how can you really be a texan eh? Let's see your birth certificate!
I'm quite aware the news doesn't cover all the murders in the US, the local news doesn't even report on all the murders in Memphis, TN. The difference is shooting up a liquor store in north memphis isn't news. Kidnap, rape, torture, and the murder of a young couple is, no matter their race or color. Just because they were whites murdered by blacks doesn't mean it should be shushed up and swept under the rug.
LOL, swept under the rug? they were convicted twice. you can google it and read it every day, maybe they'll make a movie about it. Shushed up? LOL
Justice normally doesn't get much news time, Injustice tends to get more as the issue is never resolved and keeps being brought back up. As murderers are never caught or they are set free. Why does your case need more national coverage? Just to spread the narrative that all blacks are thugs?
The news doesn't cover black crime in the same sensationalist light. Hell, even the DC snipers quickly fell out of the media once there were identified. And even though the sniper openly cited racism as a motive, it was never mentioned in the media.
The white girls mobbed while crowds chanted "feth up the whiteys" was deemed as non hate related.
The US media pisses itself when asked to report fairly.
Well, have you ever heard the old saw about "Man bites dog?" Basically, while dogs bit people far more often, it's more interesting, and likely more reported, story when a man bites a dog. So you hear about things that are uncommon far more often than common things.
A pretty quick glance at prison populations, court dockets, and stereotypes show that "black person does something violent" is a dog bites man situation. While undeniably more common, there's also some subtle racial perceptions that basically cause us to accept that five black men would kidnap, rape, and kill a white couple. It fits the world view we know. While a powerful example, it's still dog biting man.
A pretty white girl killing her own kids? That's rare and interesting!
Sinful Hero wrote: I'm quite aware the news doesn't cover all the murders in the US, the local news doesn't even report on all the murders in Memphis, TN. The difference is shooting up a liquor store in north memphis isn't news. Kidnap, rape, torture, and the murder of a young couple is, no matter their race or color. Just because they were whites murdered by blacks doesn't mean it should be shushed up and swept under the rug.
Except it wasn't hushed up, and it wasn't swept under a rug.
It was reported, openly.
The perpetrators were arrested, tried, and convicted, openly.
It was not a major news story, and there could be reasons for that. It could be that all major national news outlets conspired to underreport the story out of slavish obedience to some PC principles. It could be that while tragic and horrible, it's not that interesting a story beyond a, "oh my god, that's awful." No manhunt, no real question about who did it, no real racial or other motives that anybody remotely partial felt existed, no underlying questions about if young attrative couples are systematically oppressed by black gangs.
It's just a random, horrible crime. They happen, they get some coverage, and then the new cycle moves on.
I don't know how it is in Canada, but kidnapping a couple of a different race, raping and torturing them over several days, and then murdering them is a little unnatural here in the States.
Ding ding ding.
Casey Anthony's sorry ass was national news for a loooooong time.
This barely registered a blip.
Well, Casey Anthony's story was both 1) a mystery, and 2) about a white woman doing terrible things. Most of the time, long running news stories involve either unanswered questions, or pretty spectacular novelty.
It appears that in this case, arrests were quick, there was no special interest angle, and hardly anybody felt that there was a genuine controversy in the case itself.
The generic answer to the class of questions built around "why did the media spend so much time on Trayvon Martin/Feguson/Baltimore/etc, and they didn't cover this story?" is almost always: controversial stories make for good ratings. People take sides, they watch, they want to know more. Open and shut cases, in which nobody really disagrees on the good or the bad of it, just aren't that interesting.
The news doesn't cover black crime in the same sensationalist light. Hell, even the DC snipers quickly fell out of the media once there were identified. And even though the sniper openly cited racism as a motive, it was never mentioned in the media.
The white girls mobbed while crowds chanted "feth up the whiteys" was deemed as non hate related.
The US media pisses itself when asked to report fairly.
No kidding, isn't it amazing how fox news is trying to paint the kid who shot up the church as liberal.
The news actually has some interesting biases when it comes to reporting crime. They tend to overreport white serial killers, even though whites are no more likely to be serial killers. They overreport any crime with a young, white, female victim. They tend to grossly underreport black on black violence, and black victims in general.
It's easy to look around after the last few years and marvel at how much coverage police shooting victims get, but that's a really contemporary phenomenon.
If you watched TV news even a decade ago, you'd have blink and you'l miss 'em reports of suspects killed by police, while ever cop killed in the line got a prominent local story. That's fine, but I think that's one reason we few police deaths as common, and police shootings rare, when actually police shoot and kill many times more suspects than suspects kill police.
I don't know how it is in Canada, but kidnapping a couple of a different race, raping and torturing them over several days, and then murdering them is a little unnatural here in the States.
Isn't that the entire natural history of the south you're quoting? seems like par for the course for them.
You only think that because the news doesn't cover all the murders that happen daily in the states. As this happened in the states, and you have had people also eating people in the states. It does seem natural for you guys.
And no Fraz, I'm not going to indulge you with pics, but if you're mom is from NO, how can you really be a texan eh? Let's see your birth certificate!
I'm quite aware the news doesn't cover all the murders in the US, the local news doesn't even report on all the murders in Memphis, TN. The difference is shooting up a liquor store in north memphis isn't news. Kidnap, rape, torture, and the murder of a young couple is, no matter their race or color. Just because they were whites murdered by blacks doesn't mean it should be shushed up and swept under the rug.
LOL, swept under the rug? they were convicted twice. you can google it and read it every day, maybe they'll make a movie about it. Shushed up? LOL
Justice normally doesn't get much news time, Injustice tends to get more as the issue is never resolved and keeps being brought back up. As murderers are never caught or they are set free. Why does your case need more national coverage? Just to spread the narrative that all blacks are thugs?
Or to spread the narrative that not all blacks kidnap, torture, rape, and murder young couples. There's that too. It's not exactly a good thing for it to be defined as "typical black behavior".
My point about it being "swept under the rug" was that most major news outlets gave little to no coverage of the story. Local outlets were the major sources of information, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Well, have you ever heard the old saw about "Man bites dog?" Basically, while dogs bit people far more often, it's more interesting, and likely more reported, story when a man bites a dog. So you hear about things that are uncommon far more often than common things.
I think the difference here is that a very compelling argument could have been made for a hate crime and none was. Contrarily, Holder investigated Zimmerman for a hate crime when there wasn't any real reason to beyond pressure from the mob.
We don't get a whole lot of Black on white hate crimes, do we?
Well, have you ever heard the old saw about "Man bites dog?" Basically, while dogs bit people far more often, it's more interesting, and likely more reported, story when a man bites a dog. So you hear about things that are uncommon far more often than common things.
I think the difference here is that a very compelling argument could have been made for a hate crime and none was. Contrarily, Holder investigated Zimmerman for a hate crime when there wasn't any real reason to beyond pressure from the mob.
We don't get a whole lot of Black on white hate crimes, do we?
Nope, they're just the more moral people. They don't target whites just because they're white.
Speaking of news coverage and hate crimes, isn't it odd how 6 black churches can be burnt down and no one is saying it's a hate crime?
Well, have you ever heard the old saw about "Man bites dog?" Basically, while dogs bit people far more often, it's more interesting, and likely more reported, story when a man bites a dog. So you hear about things that are uncommon far more often than common things.
I think the difference here is that a very compelling argument could have been made for a hate crime and none was. Contrarily, Holder investigated Zimmerman for a hate crime when there wasn't any real reason to beyond pressure from the mob.
We don't get a whole lot of Black on white hate crimes, do we?
Nope, they're just the more moral people. They don't target whites just because they're white.
Speaking of news coverage and hate crimes, isn't it odd how 6 black churches can be burnt down and no one is saying it's a hate crime?
I was under the impression they were being investigated as hate crimes?
We seem to have gotten far afield with the Knoxville murders- feel free to PM me if you want to continue that line of discussion sirlynchmob.
That's just three. All mention that they're being investigated and make a point to state that they do not believe they're hate crimes "at this time," which would led anyone with the literary power of inference to understand that they HAD looked into them as potential hate crimes.
Well, have you ever heard the old saw about "Man bites dog?" Basically, while dogs bit people far more often, it's more interesting, and likely more reported, story when a man bites a dog. So you hear about things that are uncommon far more often than common things.
I think the difference here is that a very compelling argument could have been made for a hate crime and none was. Contrarily, Holder investigated Zimmerman for a hate crime when there wasn't any real reason to beyond pressure from the mob.
We don't get a whole lot of Black on white hate crimes, do we?
Well, I don't much care for Hate Crimes, because that's basically thoughtcrime, and not something I'm down with.
Pragmatically, the reason to investigate a hate crime for Zimmerman is that it would have been an easier charge to make stick. With the Tennessee case, there was no real question that the murder charges would stick.
More generally, I think that the question of racial profiling probably played at least a tangential role in the Zimmerman case. I don't know too many white people that aren't made more nervous by unknown black youths than white, so its reasonable to assume that Zimmerman became more involved than he would if the race were different. Not a hate crime, but worth checking out.
The crime in Tennessee began with a carjacking, which suggests a different motive. I don't have a lot of material here, outside of the Wikipedia article, but is there any evidence that they crime was racially motivated?
Also, to tie back into an earlier point: A hate crime by a white person is an act of terror, it's also an act of white supremacy. It's about sending a message that certain races are less than. A hate crime against a white person just doesn't carry that heft. A black person may hate me because I'm white, but they can't work to exclude white people from society.
Pragmatically, the reason to investigate a hate crime for Zimmerman is that it would have been an easier charge to make stick. With the Tennessee case, there was no real question that the murder charges would stick.
I believe they also carry enhanced sentences as of the mid 90s, don't they?
More generally, I think that the question of racial profiling probably played at least a tangential role in the Zimmerman case. I don't know too many white people that aren't made more nervous by unknown black youths than white, so its reasonable to assume that Zimmerman became more involved than he would if the race were different. Not a hate crime, but worth checking out.
Without digging into the notion of Zimmerman's "whiteness," I'm fairly certain the 911 call from Zimmerman shows him hesitating when he's trying to determine what Martin looks like. From what I recall, there was nothing compelling to believe Zimmerman knew the person's race at first.
The crime in Tennessee began with a carjacking, which suggests a different motive. I don't have a lot of material here, outside of the Wikipedia article, but is there any evidence that they crime was racially motivated?
A lot of people believe the escalation and barbarism of the crime, as well as the amount of time the two were held, indicates that it may have started as a car jacking that ended up being a hate crime. It's entirely possible they were just horrible, horrible feths.
I'd also point out that the Knoxville Sherrif and Prosecutor both made affirmative statements that they did not see a racial motive in the case. This, in a county that's 88% white? I find it hard to believe that elected officials in such a strongly white environment would be worried about appearances and hiding a racial motive.
Polonius wrote: I'd also point out that the Knoxville Sherrif and Prosecutor both made affirmative statements that they did not see a racial motive in the case. This, in a county that's 88% white? I find it hard to believe that elected officials in such a strongly white environment would be worried about appearances and hiding a racial motive.
Oh, I don't disagree.
But, since we're using the Martin case comparatively, those affirmations by the PD in Florida didn't prevent Holder from opening a case.
What was wrong with the coverage? You knew about it.
Because I have family that lives pretty close to there, and a sister in law that went to UT at the time. I wouldn't have otherwise.
Or are you trying to compare it to the protests about the racism in the police departments?
They're not related at all.
You know where the guilty are not arrested, not indicted, not convicted and get nation wide coverage defending the murderer, and the police go on strike to defend the guilty
So glad you're the arbiter of guilt for the US.
or are you upset because there wasn't nationwide media coverage defending the murderers of channon & chris?
The story was largely ignored nationwide. Today, and with the roles reversed, Holder would be involved and the "good Revs" would be high up on their horse.
That's the fuckery I'm talking about.
Yep, I'm the arbiter of guilt, and you're the speaker & puppet master for the "good revs" it seems.
If you want the media to cover every murder in the US, you'd probably need 3 or more news channels running 24/7 at the rate you guys are killing each other.
Woah, woah, woah there brother we don't kill each other. Guns kill each other.
inorite? Guns are like fething beta fish. There's a reason I keep most of mine in the safe and only carry one at a time.
I don't know how it is in Canada, but kidnapping a couple of a different race, raping and torturing them over several days, and then murdering them is a little unnatural here in the States.
Ding ding ding.
Casey Anthony's sorry ass was national news for a loooooong time.
This barely registered a blip.
They where adults and white... no one cares.
I need to go to work every day.
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It's not exactly a good thing for it to be defined as "typical black behavior".
