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There was a poll as recently as April asking people if they saw the "battle flag" as offensive 60 percent said no.
8 percent said they didn't care
And 32 percent said yes.
I can't say if I see it as offensive, and maybe as a foreigner it's not my place to do so.
While maybe it shouldn't be displayed on government buildings, the Dukes of hazard toy ban and stuff like that just feels knee jerk.
And I certainly think John Oliver shouldn't have taken a stand he may be a citizen now but really, if I moved there and hope willing I may I've not been effected by those issues so I shouldn't say.
Now I do support a organization that keeps ACW battlefields preserved as well as historical items and documents. And some members are concerned that calls may be made to destroy or remove them from public viewing and well I think it could happen just so they can get the essential government funding.
Do you mean Baltimore? Maryland was a slave State.
Yes, I meant Baltimore. It may have been a slave state, but it was not a confederate state. It straddled the line, and was not affected by the Emancipation Proclamation. Majority of it's enlisted soldiers fought for the Union.
hotsauceman1 wrote: So, there are people who don't believe that the south was an incredibly racist place and was well into the 20th century.
You say that like somehow they managed not to continue that tradition to the current day. It may not be the heydays of fire hoses and lynchings anymore but it's still pretty ugly.
Just out of curiosity, in what ways is it still pretty ugly?
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hotsauceman1 wrote: So, there are people who don't believe that the south was an incredibly racist place and was well into the 20th century.
You say that like somehow they managed not to continue that tradition to the current day. It may not be the heydays of fire hoses and lynchings anymore but it's still pretty ugly.
Just out of curiosity, in what ways is it still pretty ugly?
I do not even live in the true south, I live in Southern Illinois, about 50 minutes from the Kentucky border. While sitting in my car Sunday night waiting for my ride to pick me up(Alternator died while going through McDonalds) a group of people were moving through the drive through. They started honking and a series of cars began to honk along side of them. Then came the chanting of "What does Union County stand for? Ain't no [Racial Slur] allowed in Union County!" This is a 100% exact quote from them and there were 5-10 people shouting this out loud in downtown at the busiest place in town. These were young people, much younger than me, 17-18 years old.
On the flip side, one of the people shouting and chanting helped me with my car. This was before the shouting and chanting though, but he seemed like a nice guy until he started chanting.
Like in Fergesun, Missouri? That's the first that came to my mind.
Missouri was claimed by the CSA and is generally considered "Southern".
Missouri did not fight for the CSA. They are not considered "Southern" by "Southerners." no one cares what yankees think.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Some guy couldn't get WalMart to make his confederate battleflag cake so he instead had them do up another battleflag cake:
A WalMart Associate wrote:An associate in a local store did not know what the design meant and made a mistake," a store spokesman told ABC News. "The cake should not have been made and we apologize.
Some guy couldn't get WalMart to make his confederate battleflag cake so he instead had them do up another battleflag cake:
A WalMart Associate wrote:An associate in a local store did not know what the design meant and made a mistake," a store spokesman told ABC News. "The cake should not have been made and we apologize.
So the moral here is in america the confederate flag is a more recognizable symbol of racism, than the isis flag?
or that the public education system in america is so horrid that most kids have no idea about isis, nor could they find iraq on a map?
maybe the associate thought he was making the flag CNN thought was the isis flag, but was really something else entirely
I wouldn't know it was an ISIL flag. I doubt the baker from El Salvador working in Walmart is going to either.
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Missouri is definitely not West. Missouri appears to be a freak state. It wants to be southern but didn't pay the dues to join the Lost Cause States.
On the other hand, we should be compassionate. Like Mexico it is so far from God, so close to Illinois.
I guess since Frazzled deigned to spend time in St. Louis for a few years, we can grace it with the term Southern Lite. Strangely, when there, mom (from NO) thought St. Louis was the most racist place she'd ever lived in.
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So apparently the KKK are planning a rally in South Carolina to protest the taking down of the flag.
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
MrDwhitey wrote: So apparently the KKK are planning a rally in South Carolina to protest the taking down of the flag.
That's a fun fact and all, but the KKK is a pretty small and fringe organizaiton at this point.
So people keep claiming, but the rally should prove it one way or the other. Let's see how many klan members and those who support the klan show up at the rally.
MrDwhitey wrote: So apparently the KKK are planning a rally in South Carolina to protest the taking down of the flag.
That's a fun fact and all, but the KKK is a pretty small and fringe organizaiton at this point.
So people keep claiming, but the rally should prove it one way or the other. Let's see how many klan members and those who support the klan show up at the rally.
Biggest group I remember was for the murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom where about 30 showed up.
MrDwhitey wrote: So apparently the KKK are planning a rally in South Carolina to protest the taking down of the flag.
That's a fun fact and all, but the KKK is a pretty small and fringe organizaiton at this point.
So people keep claiming, but the rally should prove it one way or the other. Let's see how many klan members and those who support the klan show up at the rally.
I'd say at most 50. There may be nmore in SC, but they would need a map, and reading is not their strong suit.
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
That case is pretty textbook in the fuckery that is our media and their coverage.
What was wrong with the coverage? You knew about it.
The guilty were arrested, indicted, then convicted, judge got disbarred, they got convicted again.
what more coverage did it need?
Or are you trying to compare it to the protests about the racism in the police departments?
You know where the guilty are not arrested, not indicted, not convicted and get nation wide coverage defending the murderer, and the police go on strike to defend the guilty
or are you upset because there wasn't nationwide media coverage defending the murderers of channon & chris?
What was wrong with the coverage? You knew about it.
Because I have family that lives pretty close to there, and a sister in law that went to UT at the time. I wouldn't have otherwise.
Or are you trying to compare it to the protests about the racism in the police departments?
They're not related at all.
You know where the guilty are not arrested, not indicted, not convicted and get nation wide coverage defending the murderer, and the police go on strike to defend the guilty
So glad you're the arbiter of guilt for the US.
or are you upset because there wasn't nationwide media coverage defending the murderers of channon & chris?
The story was largely ignored nationwide. Today, and with the roles reversed, Holder would be involved and the "good Revs" would be high up on their horse.
What was wrong with the coverage? You knew about it.
Because I have family that lives pretty close to there, and a sister in law that went to UT at the time. I wouldn't have otherwise.
Or are you trying to compare it to the protests about the racism in the police departments?
They're not related at all.
You know where the guilty are not arrested, not indicted, not convicted and get nation wide coverage defending the murderer, and the police go on strike to defend the guilty
So glad you're the arbiter of guilt for the US.
or are you upset because there wasn't nationwide media coverage defending the murderers of channon & chris?
The story was largely ignored nationwide. Today, and with the roles reversed, Holder would be involved and the "good Revs" would be high up on their horse.
That's the fuckery I'm talking about.
Yep, I'm the arbiter of guilt, and you're the speaker & puppet master for the "good revs" it seems.
If you want the media to cover every murder in the US, you'd probably need 3 or more news channels running 24/7 at the rate you guys are killing each other.
What was wrong with the coverage? You knew about it.
Because I have family that lives pretty close to there, and a sister in law that went to UT at the time. I wouldn't have otherwise.
Or are you trying to compare it to the protests about the racism in the police departments?
They're not related at all.
You know where the guilty are not arrested, not indicted, not convicted and get nation wide coverage defending the murderer, and the police go on strike to defend the guilty
So glad you're the arbiter of guilt for the US.
or are you upset because there wasn't nationwide media coverage defending the murderers of channon & chris?
The story was largely ignored nationwide. Today, and with the roles reversed, Holder would be involved and the "good Revs" would be high up on their horse.
That's the fuckery I'm talking about.
Yep, I'm the arbiter of guilt, and you're the speaker & puppet master for the "good revs" it seems.
If you want the media to cover every murder in the US, you'd probably need 3 or more news channels running 24/7 at the rate you guys are killing each other.
I'd say there's a number of stories more important than a cop shooting an attacking thug and getting gak for it.
Not to mention the riots, burnt down gas stations, a guy losing his job out of safety concerns, and everything else that came along with it.
What was wrong with the coverage? You knew about it.
Because I have family that lives pretty close to there, and a sister in law that went to UT at the time. I wouldn't have otherwise.
Or are you trying to compare it to the protests about the racism in the police departments?
They're not related at all.
You know where the guilty are not arrested, not indicted, not convicted and get nation wide coverage defending the murderer, and the police go on strike to defend the guilty
So glad you're the arbiter of guilt for the US.
or are you upset because there wasn't nationwide media coverage defending the murderers of channon & chris?
The story was largely ignored nationwide. Today, and with the roles reversed, Holder would be involved and the "good Revs" would be high up on their horse.
That's the fuckery I'm talking about.
Yep, I'm the arbiter of guilt, and you're the speaker & puppet master for the "good revs" it seems.
If you want the media to cover every murder in the US, you'd probably need 3 or more news channels running 24/7 at the rate you guys are killing each other.
I don't know how it is in Canada, but kidnapping a couple of a different race, raping and torturing them over several days, and then murdering them is a little unnatural here in the States.
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