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Apparently, according to the Washington Post anyway, Trump has all sorts of supporters.

...And, Trump wins "lie of the year" for his continued dedication to dishonesty.

The year ain't over yet, though.

So, I was looking for Christmas videos and discovered that this is a thing... apparently.

 Breotan wrote:
So, I was looking for Christmas videos and discovered that this is a thing... apparently.

If that is a real TV ad, then Cruzy has hit a new low.

 Ouze wrote:
...And, Trump wins "lie of the year" for his continued dedication to dishonesty.

Does that mean Hillary takes the Decade award?

She can't stop herself either... claiming that ISIS has recruitment videos of Trump in the last debate. O.o


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 Breotan wrote:
So, I was looking for Christmas videos and discovered that this is a thing... apparently.

If that is a real TV ad, then Cruzy has hit a new low.

That's so awesome... need to be blasted out in the airwaves.*

*while Rubio wins the Primary nomination.

 Ouze wrote:
...And, Trump wins "lie of the year" for his continued dedication to dishonesty.

Last debate

At a debate last week in Las Vegas, Jeb Bush went after Trump directly: "So Donald, you know, is great at the one-liners, but he's a chaos candidate. And he'd be a chaos president. He would not be the commander-in-chief we need to keep our country safe."

Trump’s response was to mock Bush for being behind in the polls: "Jeb doesn't really believe I'm unhinged. He said that very simply because he has failed in this campaign. It's been a total disaster."

I rolled with laughter at that exchange.

So has Hillary Staff come up with a video of Trump being used as a recruitment tool for ISIS?

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
...And, Trump wins "lie of the year" for his continued dedication to dishonesty.

Does that mean Hillary takes the Decade award?

She can't stop herself either... claiming that ISIS has recruitment videos of Trump in the last debate. O.o

I'm not a Hilary fan but let's be fair here; she didn't actually say that they have recruitment videos of Trump. What she said was:

ISIS is "going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists."

And she did get that bit of information from fairly credible sources:

Rita Katz with the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors the social media activities of Islamic terrorist groups.

They love him from the sense that he is supporting their rhetoric. They follow everything Donald Trump says. When he says, 'No Muslims should be allowed in America,' they tell people, 'We told you America hates Muslims and here is proof.

David Phillips, director of the Program on Peace-Building and Rights at Columbia University's Institute for the Study of Human Rights.

Trump's comments undermine efforts to drain the swamp of support for radical Islamists by stoking rage that inspires jihad against the West. Trump's incendiary anti-Muslim comments will surely be used by ISIS social media to demonize the United States and attract recruits to fight in Iraq and Syria. His comments may also stir debate in countries with large Muslim populations about joining a U.S.-led drive against ISIS.

Council on American-Islamic Relations

We firmly believe that Donald Trump is doing the work of ISIS.

So, is there literal proof of ISIS going to people and showing videos of Trump and his comments? Nope. Is it likely that they are doing so based upon the analysis by experts in the field? Yep.

 Jihadin wrote:
So has Hillary Staff come up with a video of Trump being used as a recruitment tool for ISIS?

Since when do you care about the truth of what a candidate says?

 Ouze wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
So, is there literal proof of ISIS going to people and showing videos of Trump and his comments? Nope. Is it likely that they are doing so based upon the analysis by experts in the field? Yep.

Staaaaahp, I want to compare a (allegorical) jaywalker and axe murderer and say they're all bad.

All the while dodging sniper fire in Bosnia and blaming some obscure youtube videos on your failures.... right?

EDIT: dammit, you edited that...

 agnosto wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
...And, Trump wins "lie of the year" for his continued dedication to dishonesty.

Does that mean Hillary takes the Decade award?

She can't stop herself either... claiming that ISIS has recruitment videos of Trump in the last debate. O.o

I'm not a Hilary fan but let's be fair here; she didn't actually say that they have recruitment videos of Trump. What she said was:

ISIS is "going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists."

And she did get that bit of information from fairly credible sources:

Rita Katz with the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors the social media activities of Islamic terrorist groups.

They love him from the sense that he is supporting their rhetoric. They follow everything Donald Trump says. When he says, 'No Muslims should be allowed in America,' they tell people, 'We told you America hates Muslims and here is proof.

David Phillips, director of the Program on Peace-Building and Rights at Columbia University's Institute for the Study of Human Rights.

Trump's comments undermine efforts to drain the swamp of support for radical Islamists by stoking rage that inspires jihad against the West. Trump's incendiary anti-Muslim comments will surely be used by ISIS social media to demonize the United States and attract recruits to fight in Iraq and Syria. His comments may also stir debate in countries with large Muslim populations about joining a U.S.-led drive against ISIS.

Council on American-Islamic Relations

We firmly believe that Donald Trump is doing the work of ISIS.

So, is there literal proof of ISIS going to people and showing videos of Trump and his comments? Nope. Is it likely that they are doing so based upon the analysis by experts in the field? Yep.

Unfortunately, CAIR as a source is not gonna win over anyone who understands even a bit about this, and Katz frankly is talking out of her ass too. You can look at what DaIsh uses as recruiting material, it focuses on 'duty to support caliphate', 'adventure and proving self', 'helping fellow Muslims within the caliphate'. Nothing Trump says or does is gonna get the kid who was looking to get his associates degree to instead travel to Syria and joining DaIsh. Just as folks will have a hard time showing 'GITMO' as a recruiting theme, you'll have a hard time showing 'Halt Muslim Immigration' as a recruiting theme. If anything, propaganda using those types of themes is not targeted towards potential recruits/populations which may support, but instead it is directed against Western nations/media in an attempt to influence policy/western population support to policy.

Shows of power and control (burning the Jordanian pilot for example, blowing up a Syrian tank for example) and shows of mercy/public works (distributing aid within the Caliphate for example) are much much more common as recruiting themes.

 whembly wrote:
All the while dodging sniper fire in Bosnia and blaming some obscure youtube videos on your failures.... right?

EDIT: dammit, you edited that...

Let me know when she starts approaching 75% false\pants-on-fire on politifact, was my point.

Obviously "someone else lies more" isn't really an adult rationalization for untruth, but trying to pretend they're more or less equivalent is a little too simplistic for me.

 agnosto wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
...And, Trump wins "lie of the year" for his continued dedication to dishonesty.

Does that mean Hillary takes the Decade award?

She can't stop herself either... claiming that ISIS has recruitment videos of Trump in the last debate. O.o

I'm not a Hilary fan but let's be fair here; she didn't actually say that they have recruitment videos of Trump. What she said was:

ISIS is "going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists."

And she did get that bit of information from fairly credible sources:

Rita Katz with the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors the social media activities of Islamic terrorist groups.

They love him from the sense that he is supporting their rhetoric. They follow everything Donald Trump says. When he says, 'No Muslims should be allowed in America,' they tell people, 'We told you America hates Muslims and here is proof.

David Phillips, director of the Program on Peace-Building and Rights at Columbia University's Institute for the Study of Human Rights.

Trump's comments undermine efforts to drain the swamp of support for radical Islamists by stoking rage that inspires jihad against the West. Trump's incendiary anti-Muslim comments will surely be used by ISIS social media to demonize the United States and attract recruits to fight in Iraq and Syria. His comments may also stir debate in countries with large Muslim populations about joining a U.S.-led drive against ISIS.

Council on American-Islamic Relations

We firmly believe that Donald Trump is doing the work of ISIS.

So, is there literal proof of ISIS going to people and showing videos of Trump and his comments? Nope. Is it likely that they are doing so based upon the analysis by experts in the field? Yep.

K...

So when you condemn's Trumps rhetoric, in fear that it'll further incite the baddies, will you also condemn Obama and Bill Clinton? As they actually appeared in a recent ISIS recruitment video.

So... yeah... keep in mind that you're trying to defend a habitual liar (who really doesn't need to, but just can't help herself).

 whembly wrote:
All the while dodging sniper fire in Bosnia and blaming some obscure youtube videos on your failures.... right?

EDIT: dammit, you edited that...

Let me know when she starts approaching 75% false\pants-on-fire on politifact, was my point.

Obviously "someone else lies more" isn't really an adult rationalization for untruth, but trying to pretend they're more or less equivalent is a little too simplistic for me.

In any event, I hardly have the inclination or endurance to try and outlast you slamming your Hillary hate-boner in this thread, so if you'd like to take my further silence on the topic as a victory you are welcome to do so.

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 Ouze wrote:

 whembly wrote:
All the while dodging sniper fire in Bosnia and blaming some obscure youtube videos on your failures.... right?

EDIT: dammit, you edited that...

Let me know when she starts approaching 75% false\pants-on-fire on politifact, was my point.

Man... do you really want me to dig up all the lies Hillary Clinton was caught up in? Or, you want to keep parroting that disengenuos politifact point on the lies this year?

Please note, that I'm not a Trump supporter at all. But, Trump get's roundly dog-piled for his BS (and deservedly so).

Clinton? Nah it's totes 'cuz she's on the blue team.

These back'n forth we have seems like we want a dictator on our own team:
Admit It. You Just Want Your Own Dictator (I don't)

EDIT: you edited your post again... lol...

FWIW, I think your Republican hate-boner matches, if not exceeds my HRC's hate-boner.

 whembly wrote:

Spoiler:

 agnosto wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
...And, Trump wins "lie of the year" for his continued dedication to dishonesty.

Does that mean Hillary takes the Decade award?

She can't stop herself either... claiming that ISIS has recruitment videos of Trump in the last debate. O.o

I'm not a Hilary fan but let's be fair here; she didn't actually say that they have recruitment videos of Trump. What she said was:

ISIS is "going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists."

And she did get that bit of information from fairly credible sources:

Rita Katz with the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors the social media activities of Islamic terrorist groups.

They love him from the sense that he is supporting their rhetoric. They follow everything Donald Trump says. When he says, 'No Muslims should be allowed in America,' they tell people, 'We told you America hates Muslims and here is proof.

David Phillips, director of the Program on Peace-Building and Rights at Columbia University's Institute for the Study of Human Rights.

Trump's comments undermine efforts to drain the swamp of support for radical Islamists by stoking rage that inspires jihad against the West. Trump's incendiary anti-Muslim comments will surely be used by ISIS social media to demonize the United States and attract recruits to fight in Iraq and Syria. His comments may also stir debate in countries with large Muslim populations about joining a U.S.-led drive against ISIS.

Council on American-Islamic Relations

We firmly believe that Donald Trump is doing the work of ISIS.

So, is there literal proof of ISIS going to people and showing videos of Trump and his comments? Nope. Is it likely that they are doing so based upon the analysis by experts in the field? Yep.

K...

So when you condemn's Trumps rhetoric, in fear that it'll further incite the baddies, will you also condemn Obama and Bill Clinton? As they actually appeared in a recent ISIS recruitment video.

So... yeah... keep in mind that you're trying to defend a habitual liar (who really doesn't need to, but just can't help herself).

I'm not defending anything. I'm saying that in all fairness she never actually said that they are putting Trump in recruitment videos. I couldn't care less about the whole hooplah of this election and give precisely two gacks and a damn about either party, they're all a bunch of liars and charlatans to me, but lying about what a liar said doesn't improve anyone else's credibility, does it?

 whembly wrote:
FWIW, I think your Republican hate-boner matches, if not exceeds my HRC's hate-boner.

Yeah, people know my reputation of bumping a thread for literally fething years with the same non-story, alright.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

 Ouze wrote:

 whembly wrote:
FWIW, I think your Republican hate-boner matches, if not exceeds my HRC's hate-boner.

Yeah, people know my reputation of bumping a thread for literally fething years with the same non-story, alright.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

Cool man.


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 agnosto wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Spoiler:

 agnosto wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
...And, Trump wins "lie of the year" for his continued dedication to dishonesty.

Does that mean Hillary takes the Decade award?

She can't stop herself either... claiming that ISIS has recruitment videos of Trump in the last debate. O.o

I'm not a Hilary fan but let's be fair here; she didn't actually say that they have recruitment videos of Trump. What she said was:

ISIS is "going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists."

And she did get that bit of information from fairly credible sources:

Rita Katz with the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors the social media activities of Islamic terrorist groups.

They love him from the sense that he is supporting their rhetoric. They follow everything Donald Trump says. When he says, 'No Muslims should be allowed in America,' they tell people, 'We told you America hates Muslims and here is proof.

David Phillips, director of the Program on Peace-Building and Rights at Columbia University's Institute for the Study of Human Rights.

Trump's comments undermine efforts to drain the swamp of support for radical Islamists by stoking rage that inspires jihad against the West. Trump's incendiary anti-Muslim comments will surely be used by ISIS social media to demonize the United States and attract recruits to fight in Iraq and Syria. His comments may also stir debate in countries with large Muslim populations about joining a U.S.-led drive against ISIS.

Council on American-Islamic Relations

We firmly believe that Donald Trump is doing the work of ISIS.

So, is there literal proof of ISIS going to people and showing videos of Trump and his comments? Nope. Is it likely that they are doing so based upon the analysis by experts in the field? Yep.

K...

So when you condemn's Trumps rhetoric, in fear that it'll further incite the baddies, will you also condemn Obama and Bill Clinton? As they actually appeared in a recent ISIS recruitment video.

So... yeah... keep in mind that you're trying to defend a habitual liar (who really doesn't need to, but just can't help herself).

I'm defending anything. I'm saying that in all fairness she never actually said that they are putting Trump in recruitment videos. I couldn't care less about the whole hooplah of this election and give precisely two gacks and a damn about either party, they're all a bunch of liars and charlatans to me, but lying about what a liar said doesn't improve anyone else's credibility, does it?

*You* even quoted what she said, and I'm pretty sure that everyone understood what Clinton meant.

Even CNN wanted to NOT go down that route by saying "we'll leave that aside":

'

Just acknowledge that some candidates are treated differently than others for different reasons.

 Ouze wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
So has Hillary Staff come up with a video of Trump being used as a recruitment tool for ISIS?

Since when do you care about the truth of what a candidate says?

When the other side (Trump) can use it as a beat stick back at them

Entertainment

Edit

Like none of the candidates on both sides are MENSA intelligence.....

I only saw a bit of the big Republican debate, in that there was... Who I've now figured out to be Rubio (I think...), talking. He seemed kinda more factual focussed than some of the others, who were more rhetoric focussed. - What's he like?

 whembly wrote:

*You* even quoted what she said, and I'm pretty sure that everyone understood what Clinton meant.

Even CNN wanted to NOT go down that route by saying "we'll leave that aside":

Spoiler:

'

Just acknowledge that some candidates are treated differently than others for different reasons.

And you know just as well that there's a huge difference between going to people and saying, "See, I told you that these Americans are the great Satan." which is what she said and what was said by the sources she got that from (doesn't matter what you think of the sources, they're much more reliable than the thousands of muslims partying in the streets of New Jersey that Trump personally saw, himself) rather than this nonsense about creating recruiting videos with trump in them which is what she's been misquoted as saying.

But whatevs, don't let actual facts get in the way of your partisan hateraid-fest.

I don't like Clinton but I don't actually have to make gack up to make her look bad, she's done plenty of that herself, there's no need to lie to help her along with it.

 Compel wrote:
I only saw a bit of the big Republican debate, in that there was... Who I've now figured out to be Rubio (I think...), talking. He seemed kinda more factual focussed than some of the others, who were more rhetoric focussed. - What's he like?

Rubio, Christie, Kasich, and Jeb Bush are the "establishment candidates". Meaning if they win the election, there is a Republican "government in waiting" that will take over the country. Trump would draw from this pool largely, but also bring in his own people. Cruz has pissed everyone off, so who knows if they would follow him into office, or if he would have to rely on Texas people. The rest of the candidates aren't serious contenders. And it's worth emphasizing and re-emphasizing that the Republican voters always vote for establishment candidates.

If you vote for Hilary, you get the government you have.

There's your choice for 2016. Merry Christmas!

Rubio is the establishment? I guess he sorta is as the establisment-types are gravitating to him now that Jeb! is tanking.

He was a Tea Party candidate ya'know?

So, I have a question, considering fepublicans where on Obama's case about sharing a room with a possible terrorist, why isnt anyone on Trumps case about his friendship with jerry epstein?

 whembly wrote:
Rubio is the establishment? I guess he sorta is as the establisment-types are gravitating to him now that Jeb! is tanking.

He was a Tea Party candidate ya'know?

He was a Tea Party candidate but he didn't toe the line on immigration and was part of the "Gang of Eight" who attempted to make immigration reform. That's why the hard right prefer Cruz.

 whembly wrote:
Rubio is the establishment? I guess he sorta is as the establisment-types are gravitating to him now that Jeb! is tanking.

He was a Tea Party candidate ya'know?

Yes, believe it or not, the Republican establishment would fall in line after a a successful Rubio candidacy. They've already admitted they would fall in line for a successful Trump candidacy. The only question that remains is if they'd fall in line for a successful Cruz candidacy.

In any case, they all lose to Clinton in the polls, so I guess it's just kabuki theater..

 Breotan wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Rubio is the establishment? I guess he sorta is as the establisment-types are gravitating to him now that Jeb! is tanking.

He was a Tea Party candidate ya'know?

He was a Tea Party candidate but he didn't toe the line on immigration and was part of the "Gang of Eight" who attempted to make immigration reform. That's why the hard right prefer Cruz.

Pretty much. Rubio lost his crazy badge of achievement when he had a moment of rationality. Or he thought it might help him get elected down the line. Either way, he is toast with the crazies. Limbaugh, Levin, all the radio yo hoos are done with him. And they pull a lot lot of sway.

On a side note, went to my in laws for early Christmas and met my first in person trump supporter. Wanted to know what I thought. I said welcome Madame Clinton.


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 whembly wrote:
Rubio is the establishment? I guess he sorta is as the establisment-types are gravitating to him now that Jeb! is tanking.

He was a Tea Party candidate ya'know?

Yes, believe it or not, the Republican establishment would fall in line after a a successful Rubio candidacy. They've already admitted they would fall in line for a successful Trump candidacy. The only question that remains is if they'd fall in line for a successful Cruz candidacy.

In any case, they all lose to Clinton in the polls, so I guess it's just kabuki theater..

Is it really that questionable? Watch the the debates back to back. One of them seems like it was written by the South Park guys on a bad day. One of them has adults in the room. Not saying they are responsible adults.

Meh. the Democratic debates heretofore have been pretty soft and smooshy with no real ponderance of or discussion on the hardcore issues of the day, like domestic and foreign terrorism, domestic surveillance, ISIS, etc.

Here is the transcript of the most recent one.

Trump shlong comment has me rolling on her loss to Obama
Now the Media is is coining its not Presidential talk
Kurt Shlicter(?) on some live interview with Don Lemon said something about Presidential, intern, and a humidifier

Comedy Foxtrot GOLD