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We know that current greatest event was 13th black crusade, but what was written after that or will something ever be written?

Warhammer 42k? I don't understand, why stop it

Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine the video game is set in M42.

Same old. Its a setting not a definitive timeline.

Could 42k happen? Sure. Should it? Well depends on what GW want to do with the Galaxy as it stands right now.

Crons crush all? Nids invade wholesale? Ork mega unstoppable Waaagh. Abaddon takes Terra? Eldar resurrect Ynnead. yadda yadda.

In the hopeful light of Warhammer 42,000 there is only peace.

The Tau, as the only faction that is capable of improving their capabilities, continue to develop and eventually nobody can stand against them. The orks and tyranids are exterminated, chaos is locked away in the warp, and all other factions are unified under the Greater Good.

Fateweaver777 wrote:

Warhammer 42k? I don't understand, why stop it

You said it. Because they'd have to change the name. Well they wouldn't, but they still have a bee in their bonnet about it. Prior to 2000 they tended to derive dates from the date of publication, ie: if it was published in 1993 it's date would likely be 993.M41 (2nd Armageddon War was an exception, as it was created for a boardgame that was based on WW2 boardgames, so it was dated from 1941 or so) then when they hit 2000 they stopped. A few small things have slipped out since then but they've usually backtracked on them.

The only thing of any merit that sticks in my mind was a battle report from 3rd edition, Ulthwe vs Alaitoc. The fluff for the battle was that the Imperium had established an outpost on a Maiden World, one craftworld Farseers had Farseen that in a centuries time the garden world would be defiled and industrialised by the Imperium so they set out to destroy the fledgling colony. The other craftwords Seers however had forseen that in 500 years that world would form a bastion from which not just humanity but other races as well would strike back against the great devourer. Alas I can't remember which side won.

And then, the Tau's AI revolts and kill them all.

 godardc wrote:
And then, the Tau's AI revolts and kill them all.

I don't know about you guys but I would REALLY love a robot faction, not just suits, full out mechs!

Ratius wrote:Crons crush all? Nids invade wholesale? Ork mega unstoppable Waaagh. Abaddon takes Terra? Eldar resurrect Ynnead. yadda yadda.

Heresy!

All of these suggestions are heresy!

 Peregrine wrote:

The Tau, as the only faction that is capable of improving their capabilities, continue to develop and eventually nobody can stand against them. The orks and tyranids are exterminated, chaos is locked away in the warp, and all other factions are unified under the Greater Good.

Nah, once one of the three greater threats (Chaos, Tyranids, Necrons) is eliminated, the Imperium will finish what it started in the Damocles Gulf. Or if one of the three previously-mentioned threats wipes out the Imperium, they will just steamroll the Tau Empire before breakfast. It would be like the Principality of Monaco trying to take on the US military.

Warhammer 42 or 43k would mostly be Necrons vs Orks vs Tyranids if the hype build up of how hopless everything currently is.

Age of the Emperor.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

The Tau, as the only faction that is capable of improving their capabilities, continue to develop and eventually nobody can stand against them. The orks and tyranids are exterminated, chaos is locked away in the warp, and all other factions are unified under the Greater Good.

Nah, once one of the three greater threats (Chaos, Tyranids, Necrons) is eliminated, the Imperium will finish what it started in the Damocles Gulf. Or if one of the three previously-mentioned threats wipes out the Imperium, they will just steamroll the Tau Empire before breakfast. It would be like the Principality of Monaco trying to take on the US military.

If the principle of Monaco had full human drone soldiers, plasma blasters, satellite bombardment weapons, and anti-satellite weaponry and a higher level of technology its not so insane. If they had sensor tech so advanced no stealth plane in existence could hope to sneak in and they themselves perfected full band spectrum invisibility for their scouts. Look back at history and you'll find there are more than a few cases of superior technology and training taking down much bigger armies. If the entire country army was stronger than master chief power armor ect ect. Then to put it all in perspective they have shields strong enough to stop nukes meaning conventional warfare is the only way. The Tau are not some tiny city state. Well they are in terms of area controlled but their technology and diplomatic prowess make them far larger than they are on a map.

My point is your example is ridiculous because it doesn't match the scenario your trying to provide an example for.

 Gamgee wrote:


If the principle of Monaco had full human drone soldiers, plasma blasters, satellite bombardment weapons, and anti-satellite weaponry and a higher level of technology its not so insane. If they had sensor tech so advanced no stealth plane in existence could hope to sneak in and they themselves perfected full band spectrum invisibility for their scouts. Look back at history and you'll find there are more than a few cases of superior technology and training taking down much bigger armies. If the entire country army was stronger than master chief power armor ect ect. Then to put it all in perspective they have shields strong enough to stop nukes meaning conventional warfare is the only way. The Tau are not some tiny city state. Well they are in terms of area controlled but their technology and diplomatic prowess make them far larger than they are on a map.

My point is your example is ridiculous because it doesn't match the scenario your trying to provide an example for.

You're assuming I was talking about the Imperium when I talked about the Tau being outnumbered. How does Tau technology measure up against that of the Necrons. That's a nice sun you have there. I think we'll take it.

The Golden Throne fails, the Emperor dies and is reborn as a new warp god. The Imperium fractured into thousands of petty imperiums lead by the commanders of the old Imperium. Tau expand massively and are put under the strain of a true empire (communication, problems with a central govenment, dissent). Chaos carves out it's own imperium, then realised without the Imperium what do they do know?

The unheaval in the warp sets the end of all things in motion.

Golden Throne fails, Emperor is reincarnated and gathers all the mehreens to wage war on the wayward Imperium.

Ghazzy succeeds at bringing out Gork and Mork. All the Orks gather as one just in time to meet the bulk of Tyranid's reaching the galaxy.

Necrons realize they were more scary unified underived the C'tan tyrants and are subsequently re-enslaved.

Dark Eldar open Commorough''s doors to the rest of the eldar reinitiating a race wide hedonistic orgy beyond human comprehension because we don't feel things the same way.

Abbadon's crusade is about to lay siege to Holy Terra when the Emperor reincarnates with a serious hangover. By shouting "Quiet!" Abbadon and his crusade crumble to ashes. The 13th Crusade is still considered a victory for Abbadon because secretly his plan was to get burned to ashes by a reincarnated Emperor.

Cau Empire gets added to the Emperor''s new Imperium quickly becoming the best quality bovine farms in the galaxy sparking the reopening of the Mc Donalds burger franchise.

The Squats stand eagerly at the doors of creation but are told "sorry, maybe next edition."

Lord Castellan wrote:
Age of the Emperor.

And then everything goes on square bases and goes in movement trays.

 EnTyme wrote:
You're assuming I was talking about the Imperium when I talked about the Tau being outnumbered. How does Tau technology measure up against that of the Necrons. That's a nice sun you have there. I think we'll take it.

Currently the Tau fall short, but they're the only faction that is advancing in technology. Give them a thousand more years of development and a bored gun drone annihilates all of the Necrons by itself because it had nothing better to do.

 n0t_u wrote:
Warhammer 42 or 43k would mostly be Necrons vs Orks vs Tyranids if the hype build up of how hopless everything currently is.

Necrons vs Chaos vs Tyranids*

Orks lack the numbers to take on the full strength of the Tyranids in open battle; the Necrons and Chaos do so through cheating (insane tech and constantly coming back, respectively).

My projection for 41K follows:
The Emperor dies and manifests as a warp god of Order. The warp portal on Terra expands, burying Terra in daemons, effectively beheading the Imperium, and causing various systems and alliances to become smaller empires, which are quickly picked off.
This warp-flare attracts the attention of another Tyranid fleet, which hits the central galactic core from below the galactic plane. It's not as big as many people think it will be, but it still manages to consume several Craftworlds and effectively depopulates the galactic core. The surviving tendrils move outwards towards Terra, drawn by the new Storm of the Emperor's Ascension. This new Tyranid fleet hits the daemon-controlled Solar System, waking the Void Dragon on Mars, which uses the planet's technology to create a new World Engine. The Dragon is ignored by the hive fleets due to Mars' new lack of life, the entire population of Mars having their souls drained by the Dragon to power the Mars Engine. The Dragon heads towards an uncharted region of space after consuming Ganymede and several other Jovian moons, and the Tyranids and Daemons get stuck in a bloody attrition war.
The Orks and Tyranids in the Octarius system continue fighting, with the Tyranids and Orks alike evolving and growing quickly. The warzone grows to multiple systems around Octarius, both sides stripping worlds for resources to make more war machines and biomorphs. The Warp begins to fracture under this new zone, as Gork and Mork begin growing in size and power.
The Tau Empire grows rapidly, becoming more and more strained. Shadowsun manages to kill Farsight, but in doing so, discovers information about the true nature of the Ethereals and their mind control. Shadowsun's fleet defects from the Tau Empire, kills their Ethereals, and takes over T'au, uniting the Enclaves and the Empire again under the totalitarian military rule of Shadowsun. A Fourth Sphere Expansion takes place, the new rulers of the Tau Empire authorizing more and more extreme tactics in pacifying the worlds captured by the expansion fleets. Eventually, the newly-independent Ultramar launches a crusade against this more powerful Tau Empire, creating a bloody warzone on the Empire's border.
The increased mechanization and innovation throughout the galaxy causes a new growth to form in the warp. Psykers on Agripinaa, the new capital world of the Mechanicus, begin having strange dreams and convulsions. The pulsations of noosphere nodes and reactors on the world's surface begin sounding like a heartbeat...
The Blood Angels completely fall to the Black Rage, and ally with the remnants of the shattered Space Wolves who escaped the exterminatus of Fenris by the Dark Angels. Other radical Space Marine chapters join this desperate crusade, which attacks the Eye of Terror itself.
The last Grey Knights who survived the death of the Solar System meet on a rogue world with no name. In the eternal darkness of the planet's frozen surface, they place the Terminus Decree, surrounded by the last mortal remains of the Emperor. The world begins to glow warmly, calming the tides of the warp around it as the souls of dead humans begin flowing around it.

 Peregrine wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
You're assuming I was talking about the Imperium when I talked about the Tau being outnumbered. How does Tau technology measure up against that of the Necrons. That's a nice sun you have there. I think we'll take it.

Currently the Tau fall short, but they're the only faction that is advancing in technology. Give them a thousand more years of development and a bored gun drone annihilates all of the Necrons by itself because it had nothing better to do.

I find it adorable that the Tau think they can create AI without it backfiring horribly the way it inevitably does.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:


If the principle of Monaco had full human drone soldiers, plasma blasters, satellite bombardment weapons, and anti-satellite weaponry and a higher level of technology its not so insane. If they had sensor tech so advanced no stealth plane in existence could hope to sneak in and they themselves perfected full band spectrum invisibility for their scouts. Look back at history and you'll find there are more than a few cases of superior technology and training taking down much bigger armies. If the entire country army was stronger than master chief power armor ect ect. Then to put it all in perspective they have shields strong enough to stop nukes meaning conventional warfare is the only way. The Tau are not some tiny city state. Well they are in terms of area controlled but their technology and diplomatic prowess make them far larger than they are on a map.

My point is your example is ridiculous because it doesn't match the scenario your trying to provide an example for.

You're assuming I was talking about the Imperium when I talked about the Tau being outnumbered. How does Tau technology measure up against that of the Necrons. That's a nice sun you have there. I think we'll take it.

Ugh, that's so unfair...

 Ashiraya wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Warhammer 42 or 43k would mostly be Necrons vs Orks vs Tyranids if the hype build up of how hopless everything currently is.

Necrons vs Chaos vs Tyranids*

Orks lack the numbers to take on the full strength of the Tyranids in open battle; the Necrons and Chaos do so through cheating (insane tech and constantly coming back, respectively).

Aren't Orks the most numerous special in the galaxy? And by virtue of the fact tha tthey spread via wspores, also the most resilient? The only problem is that their spores would be absorbed by the Nid's and possibly harvested by the 'Crons

The best part about all these responses is that everyone has failed to account for The Harlequins.

 Vector Strike wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:


If the principle of Monaco had full human drone soldiers, plasma blasters, satellite bombardment weapons, and anti-satellite weaponry and a higher level of technology its not so insane. If they had sensor tech so advanced no stealth plane in existence could hope to sneak in and they themselves perfected full band spectrum invisibility for their scouts. Look back at history and you'll find there are more than a few cases of superior technology and training taking down much bigger armies. If the entire country army was stronger than master chief power armor ect ect. Then to put it all in perspective they have shields strong enough to stop nukes meaning conventional warfare is the only way. The Tau are not some tiny city state. Well they are in terms of area controlled but their technology and diplomatic prowess make them far larger than they are on a map.

My point is your example is ridiculous because it doesn't match the scenario your trying to provide an example for.

You're assuming I was talking about the Imperium when I talked about the Tau being outnumbered. How does Tau technology measure up against that of the Necrons. That's a nice sun you have there. I think we'll take it.

Ugh, that's so unfair...

Why would a lack of a sun affect any galactic species worth their salt? By the very nature of the void there is darkness and no light except dim starlight. The Tau have to literally go into stasis for long journeys. In the long run the Necrons could destroy every sun but then they're going to be shooting themselves in the foot since the death of suns contributes to the galaxies ability to rejuvenate and recycle matter. So the Necrons would essentially hasten the eventual death of the galaxy and universe. To the point there would be no particles or anything left and they would cease to exist since the very forces that allow living things of mechanical or biological nature would be gone, but surely with their advanced intelligence they can fething figure that gak out right? Oh wait its a bunch of idiot authors who know nothing about science and consequences.

Also on that note space faring species can make fully habitable space stations that have no need of the sun. So who gives a gak? The Tau nova reactor produces the energy output of a small star and that's in its miniaturized form so we have no NEED of a sun to power us. It's simply there for beauty which can be thrown out in a pinch when it comes down to winning. Ridiculous notions and threats from the Necrons. I will say they do have a higher level of technology then the Tau and it would be problematic, but at the same time the Necrons are one of the more vulnerable factions around.

Politics. They will never ever unite and unify. They will fight each other for an eternity and don't give a gak. Do you as a westerner give a gak about a civil war going on in some coutry? I mean REALLY care enough to intervene? Some of the high profile ones get some news time but always the news moves onto the next big thing. Look at Ukraine that civil war is still on going. No one gives a gak anymore. The Necrons won't give a gak either. Or they'll quickly lose interest. Lastly the hierarchy and nobility of the Necrons is so complex key assassinations would leave faction vulnerable to constant civil war.

 Gamgee wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:


If the principle of Monaco had full human drone soldiers, plasma blasters, satellite bombardment weapons, and anti-satellite weaponry and a higher level of technology its not so insane. If they had sensor tech so advanced no stealth plane in existence could hope to sneak in and they themselves perfected full band spectrum invisibility for their scouts. Look back at history and you'll find there are more than a few cases of superior technology and training taking down much bigger armies. If the entire country army was stronger than master chief power armor ect ect. Then to put it all in perspective they have shields strong enough to stop nukes meaning conventional warfare is the only way. The Tau are not some tiny city state. Well they are in terms of area controlled but their technology and diplomatic prowess make them far larger than they are on a map.

My point is your example is ridiculous because it doesn't match the scenario your trying to provide an example for.

You're assuming I was talking about the Imperium when I talked about the Tau being outnumbered. How does Tau technology measure up against that of the Necrons. That's a nice sun you have there. I think we'll take it.

Ugh, that's so unfair...

Why would a lack of a sun affect any galactic species worth their salt? By the very nature of the void there is darkness and no light except dim starlight. The Tau have to literally go into stasis for long journeys. In the long run the Necrons could destroy every sun but then they're going to be shooting themselves in the foot since the death of suns contributes to the galaxies ability to rejuvenate and recycle matter. So the Necrons would essentially hasten the eventual death of the galaxy and universe. To the point there would be no particles or anything left and they would cease to exist since the very forces that allow living things of mechanical or biological nature would be gone, but surely with their advanced intelligence they can fething figure that gak out right? Oh wait its a bunch of idiot authors who know nothing about science and consequences.

Also on that note space faring species can make fully habitable space stations that have no need of the sun. So who gives a gak? The Tau nova reactor produces the energy output of a small star and that's in its miniaturized form so we have no NEED of a sun to power us. It's simply there for beauty which can be thrown out in a pinch when it comes down to winning. Ridiculous notions and threats from the Necrons. I will say they do have a higher level of technology then the Tau and it would be problematic, but at the same time the Necrons are one of the more vulnerable factions around.

Politics. They will never ever unite and unify. They will fight each other for an eternity and don't give a gak. Do you as a westerner give a gak about a civil war going on in some coutry? I mean REALLY care enough to intervene? Some of the high profile ones get some news time but always the news moves onto the next big thing. Look at Ukraine that civil war is still on going. No one gives a gak anymore. The Necrons won't give a gak either. Or they'll quickly lose interest. Lastly the hierarchy and nobility of the Necrons is so complex key assassinations would leave faction vulnerable to constant civil war.

You start by pointing out how even the Necrons need a sun and then ask why the Tau need a sun? You also seem to think that a sun's only purpose is to provide light/energy for its planets. Believe me. If the sun were to disappear, darkness would be the least scary thing to happen. Also keep in mind that the Necrons have at least two ways of "taking" a sun. You seem to be referring to the Orrery, which can detonate a star from across the galaxy. They certainly do this, but it's kind of considered a last resort for all the reasons you mentioned. The other is an Aeonic Orb. Basically, they steal your sun and use it to power a massive, Death Star-like weapon to destroy all your neighboring star systems (yours is already spiraling off into the void as a collection of frozen ice balls). This is, of course, assuming they didn't just decide to convert your planet into a World Engine and take if for a joyride.

As to your politics and unity argument, how is that situation with Commander Farsight going? You also seem to be stuck in 6th edition for your Necron lore. Yes, they still have dynastic rivalries to contend with, but they are no longer the bickering "Tomb Kings in Space" everyone still wants them to be for some stupid reason. And as far as never uniting? All are servants of the Silent King, and if he says your tiny little empire is a threat, the Necrons will gladly put aside their differences and have a good ole fashioned fish fry that night. Remember, the Silent King is returning, and his only current edict is "Reclaim the Empire". Also keep in mind that by some Inquisitorial estimates, the Necron forces will dwarf those of the Imperium when they are fully awakened. Final thought: they were smart enough not to give their worker drones (spyders, wraiths, scarabs) sentience.

He showed up to save the Tau and then left. There has been no Tau vs Tau fighting ever taking place in our fluff. A big disagreement but no actual war and he shows up when the stakes are high for the Tau and the Tau people in turn give him fancy new stuff. The Ethereals grumble and mumble.

We were smart enough to give ours sentience because we're capable of working with them and our drones are totally going to kick your drones ass.

In other news my father can beat up your dad. Later tonight why my mom is better in every way than yours.

Har.

Also on a random note the more I thought about 40k the more mad I got about how stupid the setting. I love it but its one of those don't think about it for even a second or it will start falling apart.

 Gamgee wrote:
He showed up to save the Tau and then left. There has been no Tau vs Tau fighting ever taking place in our fluff. A big disagreement but no actual war and he shows up when the stakes are high for the Tau and the Tau people in turn give him fancy new stuff. The Ethereals grumble and mumble.

We were smart enough to give ours sentience because we're capable of working with them and our drones are totally going to kick your drones ass.

In other news my father can beat up your dad. Later tonight why my mom is better in every way than yours.

Har.

Also on a random note the more I thought about 40k the more mad I got about how stupid the setting. I love it but its one of those don't think about it for even a second or it will start falling apart.

Pretty much. The lore is written so that Space Marines > everything else, but that codex lore = best in the galaxy. Overall power levels are relative to the story it was written.

The most ridiculous thing in 40k is the space marine lore after the Heresy.

1000 marine chapters that constantly lose marines to even lasgun and autogun fire from how massively they are outnumbered could never truly affect planetary scale warfare.

Its all heroic war BS that isnt grounded at all in real warfare unless they take on troops that are so poorly armed they cant hurt those 1000 marines.

That the worst part of the fluff they need to change. To have an empire of the scale the game has---they would need like 10s of thousands of marine chapters to put a dent in maintaining it lol.

The Legions are closer to realistic but still to small for warfare on the scale the game portrays.

Somehow the game designers have never studied real war to realize even on earth the most elite forces that can do anything that affects something as much as a country typically require 100,000+ troops.

So if they want the history/scale of the game to make sense the marines need many more numbers to even be passable as realistic lol. Esp considering how easy they die in the game lol.

1000 marines in the scale of a planetary assault would be like ohh how nice you brought a small commando force to the fight lol.....also commandos arent near as effective in real life as they are in movies/games....they can pull off some nice effects on studied and prepared for targets that rely on stealth and surprise to win. In general however most major studies of warfare have shown that their effects are limited compared to real conventional armed forces that can conquer/occupy and hold ground.

Dont get me wrong special forces have their place but they arent the answer to winning a war, they are combat force multiplier to make it easier for the conventional forces to achieve victory.

 EnTyme wrote:
The other is an Aeonic Orb. Basically, they steal your sun and use it to power a massive, Death Star-like weapon to destroy all your neighboring star systems (yours is already spiraling off into the void as a collection of frozen ice balls). This is, of course, assuming they didn't just decide to convert your planet into a World Engine and take if for a joyride.

Wait... there's been a high-successful movie, the seventh part of probably the biggest sci-fi franchise with a pretty similar idea...

Badger118 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Warhammer 42 or 43k would mostly be Necrons vs Orks vs Tyranids if the hype build up of how hopless everything currently is.

Necrons vs Chaos vs Tyranids*

Orks lack the numbers to take on the full strength of the Tyranids in open battle; the Necrons and Chaos do so through cheating (insane tech and constantly coming back, respectively).

Aren't Orks the most numerous special in the galaxy? And by virtue of the fact tha tthey spread via wspores, also the most resilient? The only problem is that their spores would be absorbed by the Nid's and possibly harvested by the 'Crons

You are correct. Orks are the most numerous in the galaxy and they have there own cheat too. I'm afraid Ashiraya might be a bit jaded from the exuberance of ork fandom. It's going to take something like this Nid invasion to cull their number's. Galaxy is already saturated with them and 1 ork becoming ten is now trillions becoming tens of trillions. The skyrocketing part of the exponential curve has been reached. Time for Orks to save the galaxy without thanks.