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Im trying to get a competative cadian battle group centered around tanks. I think i have it as solid as it can be at 1k points, but i'm looking for ideas on how to exspand it. I can build any of the formations with stuff i have minus the sentinal one (though im thinking of getting the models to do so) and only have one baneblade. Heres what i have at 1k and let me Know what yalls thoughts are from there.

Command
CCS w/ taurox vets with carapace commander with bolter

armored
commander with vanquisher lascannon multimetas w/ identical wing man
2 punishers with las cannon toos up between bolters and and multi meltas
eradicator with bolter sponsons
enginseer.
Total points is 999

I run the CCS as meat shields for the enginseer and keep them in in the taurox until my first turn.

No las cannons for the punishers ...

IMHO 3 heavy bolters are the better option ...

That would allow me a few other options. I took them because it allows me a chaince to kill multi wound meq and potms from the enginseer allows me to put one more shot on something big whil the anti infentry continue to do their thing.

Are you running it out of IA1? Can't see any troops otherwise. If you are take beast hunter shells for the vanquishers.

If not, get some vets with meltas as troops as they have bs4 and maybe some with lasscannon. Lass cannon on tanks does seem to be a waist. Yes you want versatility but I think decide what each tanks for stick to it, as said before punishers are up close and not very strong.

Ditch the sponsoons and hull weaponry altogether. Vanquishers are a huge point sink for a glorified chainfist/multi-melta, they are only one shot at AP 2 so you likely aren't going to be doing more than 1 hull point per shot, assuming you hit.

I'd recommend you take Executioners instead, good against light vees and transports and can take out TEQ and MEQ with blast template spam.

You can shore up your anti armor with vet squads and/or vendetta's

Also your Command Squad should take a chimera and some grenade launchers, no sense in throwing away 7 S6 AP4 shots

 stonned_astartes wrote:
Are you running it out of IA1? Can't see any troops otherwise. If you are take beast hunter shells for the vanquishers.

If not, get some vets with meltas as troops as they have bs4 and maybe some with lasscannon. Lass cannon on tanks does seem to be a waist. Yes you want versatility but I think decide what each tanks for stick to it, as said before punishers are up close and not very strong.

It's a Cadian Battle Group Formation. No Troops are needed - only Core choices, which is present.
Meltavets could be taken when you expand on points, with their appropriate Formation.

Yes the Cadian battle group detachment. Needs a command choice of either a CCS or tank commader with lord commisar as optional, and then you can have up to three of either a bunch of tanks or bunch of infentry. Then for each you can pick 3 auxilary choices. pretty much all are good.



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I like the melta vet formation, and can see me taking it at 1850+. Im looking at the valkery formation, either infentry platoon, or scions for 1500. Just bought a knight warden im not sure if i want to work it into a list yet.

rrll wrote:
Ditch the sponsoons and hull weaponry altogether. Vanquishers are a huge point sink for a glorified chainfist/multi-melta, they are only one shot at AP 2 so you likely aren't going to be doing more than 1 hull point per shot, assuming you hit.

I'd recommend you take Executioners instead, good against light vees and transports and can take out TEQ and MEQ with blast template spam.

You can shore up your anti armor with vet squads and/or vendetta's

Also your Command Squad should take a chimera and some grenade launchers, no sense in throwing away 7 S6 AP4 shots

yes to all of this and Tbh my vets have come in quite worth the points vs tanks so it might be an idea, but giving some already cheep close up and dirty like the eradicator or exterminators multimeltas might be a better option for us tankers, a couple of those would take out most tanks.

nove1485 wrote:
Yes the Cadian battle group detachment. Needs a command choice of either a CCS or tank commader with lord commisar as optional, and then you can have up to three of either a bunch of tanks or bunch of infentry. Then for each you can pick 3 auxilary choices. pretty much all are good.

Which codex/supplement is this in, need to get my hands on it!

 stonned_astartes wrote:

Which codex/supplement is this in, need to get my hands on it!

The mont'ka supplement book.

As part of the formation eachof the russes within 12 inches of the command tank are bs 4

Yeah found it cheers buddy. Trying to work out if this or steel host is better.

Looking at the formations i would go with something like

Battle group detachment
BATTLE GROUP COMMAND
Tank commander, LR Punisher, Multimeltas 210pts
LR punisher, multimeltas 170pts
EMPERORS FIST ARMOURED COMPANY
Tank commander LR annihilator 160pts
LR annihilator 130pts
LR Executioner 155pts
LR Executioner 155pts
Tech priest 40pts
trojan 35pts
Emperor's Blade Assault Company
Ccs, 4meltaguns, heavy flamer, vox caster,master of ordinace 125pts
Chimera, autocannon, heavy flamer 60pts
10 veterans w.shotguns, carapace amour, 2 meltaguns, heavy flamer,vox caster 110pts
Chimera, autocannon, heavy flamer 60pts
10 veterans w.shotguns, carapace amour, 2 meltaguns, heavy flamer,vox caster 110pts
Chimera, autocannon, heavy flamer 60pts
10 veterans w.shotguns, carapace amour, 2 meltaguns, heavy flamer,vox caster 110pts
Chimera, autocannon, heavy flamer 60pts
bane wolf, heavy flamer 130pts
1850pts

So basically melta & flamer spam with preferred enemy in 6" of objective & objective secured.
trojan also gives one tank/artillery in 6" preferred enemy



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Realised i was missing a russ so...
Battle group detachment
BATTLE GROUP COMMAND
Tank commander, LR Punisher, Multimeltas 210pts
LR punisher, multimeltas 170pts
EMPERORS FIST ARMOURED COMPANY
Tank commander LR annihilator 160pts
LR annihilator 130pts
LR Executioner 155pts
LR Executioner 155pts
LR exterminator 130pts
Tech priest 40pts
EMPORERS BLADE ASSULT COMPANY
Ccs, 1meltaguns, heavy flamer, vox caster 85pts
Chimera, autocannon, heavy flamer 60pts
10 veterans w.shotguns, 2 meltaguns, heavy flamer,vox caster 95pts
Chimera, autocannon, heavy flamer 60pts
10 veterans w.shotguns, 2 meltaguns, heavy flamer,vox caster 95pts
Chimera, autocannon, heavy flamer 60pts
10 veterans w.shotguns, 2 meltaguns, heavy flamer,vox caster 95pts
Chimera, autocannon, heavy flamer 60pts
bane wolf, heavy flamer 130pts
1850pts

You are showing that the Chimeras are 60 points with the autocannon. Chimeras are 65 and i think the autocannon makes them 70. i like the list though. Might have to use Tauroxes for the vets. Also if i leave them with lasguns they get to reroll 1s

Not in IA1 there not, and you can mix and match
Lassguns are good.

Why the banewolf over a hellhound?

The chem cannon just seems better, ap 3 2+ to wound. You do get extra range with the torrent and you've already got to get up close to use the heavy flamer anyway.

I'm now looking at doing the Val/Ven formation with either scions or one of the infentry platoons.