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I just noticed Grimgor and Azhag have been removed from the GW store? Few questions. I am wanting to get into Orcs so really I am asking is it safe to invest in GW destruction models? Can I still use Azhag and Grimgor or no? Thanks for answering all of these questions.

Grimgor is gone and I think axhag is just warboss on wyvern now. But whats there is whats there now so enjoy. They are all gone from the book aswell.

What I mean is what they are listed at on the website is whats in the books. You can still find the free scrolls I think didnt look but they are gone no more updates ect.

The models still available on the website are the ones being supported going forward. As OgreChubbs said, Grimgor is gone while Azhag now represents a generic warboss on wyvren.

I asked on the AOS Facebook site about using models that are no longer on the website but still have Warscrolls like Grimgor etc.

GW said if you have the models and there are Warscrolls - use them. Though granted they won't be updated going forward.

I'll post the link to the FB post when I find it again.

The better question is: is it safe to invest in AoS.

hobojebus wrote:
The better question is: is it safe to invest in AoS.

in my area, YES!!! people are playing tons of AOS around here. Depends do you have players?

Yep sure is. We have twenty signed up for our summer campaign. Last year we had twenty-four for our WHFB campaign so we have recovered most of our player base with new players.

 auticus wrote:
Yep sure is. We have twenty signed up for our summer campaign. Last year we had twenty-four for our WHFB campaign so we have recovered most of our player base with new players.

This game was built for narrative campaigns. Path to glory goodness. I love my ogre army and have since 6th ed fantasy. Destruction is strong, very strong

Indeed. I think thats why it has received such a bad rap - games built for narrative campaigns are definitely not the norm and it sticks out because of it.

Thanks for the help guys!

hobojebus wrote:
The better question is: is it safe to invest in AoS.

Hmmm.... How to take this. Serious question or just being "cheeky" in a condescending way?

If the former, only you can say. Do you like the minis? Are you getting enjoyment painting and modelling? Are you getting in games now? For me nobody plays in my area. So I just collect and model slowly and paint even slower. Still it's worth it for me. My wife buys Starbucks. She goes to bingo. Hell even if I get only one game it, it's worth it. So the answer is to the individual. Nobody can say for anyone else.

If you are being the after, then answer is YES. After all you are in an Age of Sigmar forum.

I don't like the mini's the only one I've thought half good was that beefy orc Dragon, the rest are lazy CAD garbage.

I have always been more interested in the game than the models I built and painted so I had a nice looking force but it wasn't my main interest.

So I'm faced with a bad game no one plays locally and a range of models that I don't like at all.

I know I'm not alone in this view as proved by the success of 9th age and kings of war.

So I ask seriously is it safe to invest hundreds in AoS when all signs point to it doing badly and GW having a history of dropping games with no warning.

I wouldn't chance it personally.

If no one is playing near you or you don't like the miniatures, there is absolutely no reason to risk it. The only real question then is, 'why on earth you are trolling around the AoS board?'. There are tons of people, who enjoy AoS - if you are not one of them, just go play something else and stop the negativity. We heard it all a year ago, and now you just seem like an internet troll.

That largely depends on your perspective and the people you hang out with (confirmation bias)

All the tournament players I know loathe and despise AOS. If I was a tournament player I would be of the opinion that no one played it.

If the game was the most important aspect of the hobby to me, I would be of the opinion that no one played it.

Because the people around me would support this idea via confirmation bias.

In my city the tournament gamers will say the same thing as you... that no one plays it. Because to them thats true... no one they play with plays it.

Yet we have a 20 person campaign kicking off on Saturday.

Murrax9 wrote:
I just noticed Grimgor and Azhag have been removed from the GW store? Few questions. I am wanting to get into Orcs so really I am asking is it safe to invest in GW destruction models? Can I still use Azhag and Grimgor or no? Thanks for answering all of these questions.

GW's strategy with AoS seems to be short runs of everything and move on. So if you get everything you need in the first (and likely only) wave, and have the appropriate rules, then you should be OK.

Don't expect anything to be available, supported or even vaguely competitive later. They'll be too busy trying to sell the latest thing. Expect anything to be made essentially obsolete at any point and you should be fine

 auticus wrote:
That largely depends on your perspective and the people you hang out with (confirmation bias)

All the tournament players I know loathe and despise AOS. If I was a tournament player I would be of the opinion that no one played it.

If the game was the most important aspect of the hobby to me, I would be of the opinion that no one played it.

Because the people around me would support this idea via confirmation bias.

In my city the tournament gamers will say the same thing as you... that no one plays it. Because to them thats true... no one they play with plays it.

Yet we have a 20 person campaign kicking off on Saturday.

Indeed when it comes to miniatures it depends what the person get's out of the hobby it's different for everyone. People in my GW store don't care for lore for 40k or fantasy(I am the only person save one other guy who care's about lore) they just get things which look cool and the price points and they are finally buying fantasy stuff for the simple reason that it's cheaper now.

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Any more vegans want to put forth their opinions on bacon?

RoperPG wrote:
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RoperPG wrote:
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Any more vegans want to put forth their opinions on bacon?

Love Turkey bacon now.


Kidding aside now, just wait till June, or is it July when the General's Handbook. That will change how AoS plays and we will see what direction it will take.

July 23rd supposedly.

Man I can't wait for the generals handbook. It's probably terribly balanced, but at least it is something

I preferred the community comp.

Can't say 'preferred' when the GW one isn't out yet :p Let's all keep an open mind until we see them screw it up.

The points distribution doesn't really matter too much for me. The community have already proven that it can produce several systems that can cover that area.

What I am really interested in, is the Path to Glory type campaign system, that's rumoured to be in the Generals Handbook :-)

Spiky Norman wrote:

What I am really interested in, is the Path to Glory type campaign system, that's rumoured to be in the Generals Handbook :-)

You can buy it from BL now. I'm pretty sure it will be exactly the same - a re-print.

 CoreCommander wrote:

Spiky Norman wrote:

What I am really interested in, is the Path to Glory type campaign system, that's rumoured to be in the Generals Handbook :-)

You can buy it from BL now. I'm pretty sure it will be exactly the same - a re-print.

I really hope the Generals Handbook will include an expanded version of the Chaos Path of Glory rules. At least make it so all armies can participate, but hopefully they'll also make more battleplans and little bits of between battle stuff.

Andreas 2.0 wrote:Man I can't wait for the generals handbook. It's probably terribly balanced, but at least it is something

No it's not something. I strongly disagree with this. One of the reasons why I quit playing 40K along time ago and just getting back into it now and one of the reasons why I never started Fantasy in the first place.

I don't understand this. Are people saying as long as we have points the game can be fun even if we go back to 40K or unbalanced Fantasy Battles? I don't get this. We can already do this with AoS and have unbalanced play if that is what you want. Why do we need points for that? Or is mathammering half the fun?

Points mean nothing if they don't reflect a units true worth.

Sadly GW has an appalling record when it come to points values, people have left the walled garden and seen good game design so it'll take more than just adding points to get people back.

hobojebus wrote:
Points mean nothing if they don't reflect a units true worth.

Sadly GW has an appalling record when it come to points values, people have left the walled garden and seen good game design so it'll take more than just adding points to get people back.

Lord of the Rings, the One Rule Book has done an excellent job for points. Not perfect, but very well done. GW can do it, they just know it sells more minis when they are not. People give up on their army and spend ore money on another army instead of quitting GW. Let's hope that GW will do the LotR way instead of the 40K/Fantasy way.

Andreas 2.0 wrote:
Can't say 'preferred' when the GW one isn't out yet :p Let's all keep an open mind until we see them screw it up.

I say prefer because GW has never had good balanced point systems and they point models to sell as opposed to worry about balance.

I find a lot of people also don't really want true balance. They want to be able to drive trucks through loopholes. Thats part of the fun for a lot of pepole. Mathhammering cannot be fun if everything is balanced. If everything is balanced, then mathhammer means little.

Its true we already have unbalanced AOS out of the box, but there is also no mathhammering in that because there is no structure to exploit. With a poor point system, the structure to exploit is brought back, and that is a lot of the fun for a lot of people ... enough to bring many back.

There is a video I saw on youtube from the magic the gathering designer that talks about this. Having a "good" game with balance is "good", but if people don't love or hate your game, you aren't selling much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLtdDtEAieU - vince references this video here.