Necron destroyer Lords and Flayed ones

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**Sautek Supreme**

Can a Necron destroyer lord who has the deep strike rule from its jet pack, join and deep strike in with a unit of flayed ones?

I ask because flayed ones also have the infiltrate rule, but I would think it wouldn't apply when they are deep striking.

**Happyjew**

As long as every model has Deep Strike, they can Deep Strike.

**DarknessEternal**

The problem is that ICs without Infiltrate are not allowed to join a unit of Infiltrators.

That probably means "when they are setting up using Infiltrate or Outflank", but what it says is "an IC cannot join a unit with Infiltrate".

**Kap'n Krump**

DarknessEternal wrote:
The problem is that ICs without Infiltrate are not allowed to join a unit of Infiltrators.

That probably means "when they are setting up using Infiltrate or Outflank", but what it says is "an IC cannot join a unit with Infiltrate".

I believe the counterargument is that the rule actually says "An Independent Character without the Infiltrate special rule cannot join a unit of Infiltrators during deployment." When you put stuff in deep strike reserve, you're not actually deploying it - therefore there's no reason you can't attach the IC to a group of flayed ones in deep strike reserve.

**Charistoph**

The FAQ Draft does answer the original question. "Infiltrator" is meant to mean a unit with the Infiltrate Special Rule, and so an IC without Infiltrate cannot join a unit with Infiltrate during deployment.

Kap'n Krump wrote:
DarknessEternal wrote:
The problem is that ICs without Infiltrate are not allowed to join a unit of Infiltrators.

That probably means "when they are setting up using Infiltrate or Outflank", but what it says is "an IC cannot join a unit with Infiltrate".

I believe the counterargument is that the rule actually says "An Independent Character without the Infiltrate special rule cannot join a unit of Infiltrators during deployment." When you put stuff in deep strike reserve, you're not actually deploying it - therefore there's no reason you can't attach the IC to a group of flayed ones in deep strike reserve.

"Deployment" is a phase of game setup, it is not a case of being put on the table, but when models are normally first put on the table. Being placed in Reserves is a part of deployment, and there are several rules which support this fact. The FAQ Draft also addresses this as well.

**Sautek Supreme**

Also, to be clear, units with the infiltrate rule can't setup with the rest of the army in normal deployment - - they have to actually infiltrate, correct?

So Flayed Ones could only deep strike OR infiltrate? They have no other option?

**Charistoph**

Sautek Supreme wrote:
Also, to be clear, units with the infiltrate rule can't setup with the rest of the army in normal deployment - - they have to actually infiltrate, correct?

So Flayed Ones could only deep strike OR infiltrate? They have no other option?

According to how their rules are written, yes. However, the Draft FAQ states that this is an optional setup. So, they can deploy "normally" along with everyone else, wait and Infiltrate, or be put in Reserves.

But even then, the Destroyer Lord can no more join them during "normal" deploying than during Infiltrate or in Reserves.

**Kap'n Krump**

Huh, my mistake, that is addressed in the FAQ. A little surprising, honestly, but there it is.

**Kriswall**

Charistoph wrote:
Sautek Supreme wrote:
Also, to be clear, units with the infiltrate rule can't setup with the rest of the army in normal deployment - - they have to actually infiltrate, correct?

So Flayed Ones could only deep strike OR infiltrate? They have no other option?

According to how their rules are written, yes. However, the Draft FAQ states that this is an optional setup. So, they can deploy "normally" along with everyone else, wait and Infiltrate, or be put in Reserves.

But even then, the Destroyer Lord can no more join them during "normal" deploying than during Infiltrate or in Reserves.

Another example of the FAQs changing the rules without actually changing the rules. Should have been an Errata.

**Ghaz**

Q: Are models with the Infiltrate special rule allowed to not use the rule to deploy and then charge normally in the first turn?
A: Yes

I'm almost (almost!) of the opinion that they meant to say that you don't have to use the second paragraph of the Infiltrate rules (the paragraph starting with "Infiltrators can be set up anywhere...") and if they deploy where the normal deployment rules would allow they can then charge normally in the first turn. Of course I have no way to support that, and instead we're left with another head scratcher in the FAQs.