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What is the average 40k player's opinion on Brexit? Do you think that I would get a lot of flak for covering my chaos knight in union jack's and Brexit stickers?

I realise there is probably a split in the 40k community, as with the whole of the UK, but I would like to see if we lean either way.

(None UK players may vote in the poll (even EU members))

The point of doing this is what, exactly? Is there really a need to mix politics and wargaming, especially if there's a chance for conflict and which ultimately adds absolutely NOTHING to your game?

I love the FW discount and have bought my Taunar thanks to it.

If it's done properly - you've painted the Union Jacks, you've painted the Brexit signs etc. I might play you, despite my salty feelings, simply because you've gone to the effort to customise your army.

If you've literally just slapped Union Jack/ Brexit stickers on your models. I wouldn't.

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Thing is, the Union Jack might not be accurate for much longer depending on how things go (Scotland etc).

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
The point of doing this is what, exactly? Is there really a need to mix politics and wargaming, especially if there's a chance for conflict and which ultimately adds absolutely NOTHING to your game?

Honestly, I am just want to do this for: a bit of fun, as a little project for a temporary knight conversion, the scientific aspect of gaging the responses of such a move and a little bit to do with the fact that I am a hardcore patriot.
Perhaps politics and 40k shouldn't mix but as long as it is all in jest and we don't take it too seriously, what's the worst that could happen? (Did I just tempt fate?)


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 Otto Weston wrote:
If it's done properly - you've painted the Union Jacks, you've painted the Brexit signs etc. I might play you, despite my salty feelings, simply because you've gone to the effort to customise your army.

If you've literally just slapped Union Jack/ Brexit stickers on your models. I wouldn't.

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Thing is, the Union Jack might not be accurate for much longer depending on how things go (Scotland etc).

I am hoping to paint a union jack on the top and Brexit badges on the shoulders. I was also thinking of putting two union jacks in the exaust pipes.

(I don't really think Scotland will leave but Nichola is determined to run her own little country)

I hate political bs in models. It's basically the equivalent of making your banners into Trump or Hillary signs. It's tacky and flame-baity.

Not wanting to be pedantic, although I will be, it is the Union Flag.

Your army gets devoured by Tyranids. Literally.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Not wanting to be pedantic, although I will be, it is the Union Flag.

It is both the Union Jack and the Union Flag; both are acceptable.


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 Psienesis wrote:
Your army gets devoured by Tyranids. Literally.

Damn Xenos stike again!

I would not play you. Not because of what Brexit caused, but because it's clearly a troll move and you're trying to be inflammatory or clever.
Except it isn't. It's plastering irrelevant out of universe references on something you could be creative with. It's wasteful.

A smart take would be Imperxit, or whatever. Parody the campaign with 40K references, posters and banners,

My opinion on the brexit:
Inside the spoiler to prevent it becoming a political debate


My opinion on political statements in gaming.
I don't like it at all. A significant portion of the gamers are stubborn idiots who like any excuse to spew their opinion. This will just be that excuse. Increasing the risk the rest of the room having to listen to two way monologues. This is not why I come to the gaming area at all.

I am not a store owner but if I was I would kindly ask you not to bring politics into the gaming area.


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 Buttery Commissar wrote:


A smart take would be Imperxit, or whatever. Parody the campaign with 40K references, posters and banners,

Renegades with Imperxit and you NOT looking for a brexit "discussion" would be tons of fun.

Not a fan of politics being a part of my games outside telling me something you found funny related to politics. Even then it better be quick.

Wouldn't really like it. I can almost guarantee that, like most similar troll armies, the painting quality would be garbage and ruin the sense of being in the 40k universe without offering any redeeming qualities in return. And, while I think your political position is pretty awful, I'd feel the same about political troll armies from any side. Hardly anyone is going to bother to invest the time and effort to make an army look good into something that was an impulsive troll idea.

I think you do what you want to do with your models, and they wouldn't be the ugliest I've seen, even if the with stickers were badly applied on them.
Free Speech is very important, and I truly support the fact that someone can personnalize his own army with his ideas.

I think I would have a good laugh with you^^

 mrhappyface wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Not wanting to be pedantic, although I will be, it is the Union Flag.

It is both the Union Jack and the Union Flag; both are acceptable.

The Union Jack can only be displayed on board a ship - so if your army is also made up of boats, no problem!

Otherwise, NMwT is correct, it's the Union Flag.

Just because Jack is used incorrectly frequently, that doesn't make it "acceptable" it just makes people wrong a lot.


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 godardc wrote:
I think you do what you want to do with your models, and they wouldn't be the ugliest I've seen, even if the with stickers were badly applied on them.
Free Speech is very important, and I truly support the fact that someone can personnalize his own army with his ideas.

I think I would have a good laugh with you^^

Free speech IS important. The problem is that people forget that the right to it doesn't absolve you of the consequences of what you say/do.

In this case, the likely worst case scenario is ruining an expensive model and the loss of friends/opponents. Unless OP is really unlucky and catches someone on an off day...

 Azreal13 wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Not wanting to be pedantic, although I will be, it is the Union Flag.

It is both the Union Jack and the Union Flag; both are acceptable.

The Union Jack can only be displayed on board a ship - so if your army is also made up of boats, no problem!

Otherwise, NMwT is correct, it's the Union Flag.

Just because Jack is used incorrectly frequently, that doesn't make it "acceptable" it just makes people wrong a lot.

I stand corrected.

Also your poll is horribly lacking in options.

But frankly I'm sick of bad losers and winners on both sides, and I'd likely still play, but I'd think you were a tosser.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Also your poll is horribly lacking in options.

For example? I can't fix the poll if you don't tell me what I missed.

 mrhappyface wrote:
For example? I can't fix the poll if you don't tell me what I missed.

"Agree with my politics, wouldn't play against the army."

"Would grudgingly play against it so I don't have to forfeit a tournament game, but I wouldn't approve."

Etc.

 Peregrine wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
For example? I can't fix the poll if you don't tell me what I missed.

"Agree with my politics, wouldn't play against the army."

"Would grudgingly play against it so I don't have to forfeit a tournament game, but I wouldn't approve."

Etc.

The 'grudingly' play me would all come under the play me because of sportsmanship, need to play game etc.

However I shall add the agree with my politics but do not play me regardless.

 mrhappyface wrote:
The 'grudingly' play me would all come under the play me because of sportsmanship, need to play game etc.

Not really, because that option is talking only about disagreement with your beliefs. It doesn't really cover the option of "I think it looks stupid but it's a tournament and I'm not going to forfeit a game" where the issue is how awful it looks from an aesthetic point of view, not the political beliefs it represents. An army with a bunch of political stickers all over it is going to look terrible no matter what your feelings on the political issue are.

"I could not care less if we agree or not, I don't like to mix political discussions while gaming, but would play you anyway"

"I could not care less if we agree or not, I don't like to mix political discussions while gaming, but would not play you"

"Our gaming group already have don't mix politics and gaming house rules"

"I enjoy trolling or and political bickering in my gaming group and would love to play you"

"Mixing politics and gaming is fine, but I have issues with mixing 40k with non 40k stuff"

and there are tons of options that start with

" I have no strong opinion about brexit .."

 Peregrine wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
The 'grudingly' play me would all come under the play me because of sportsmanship, need to play game etc.

Not really, because that option is talking only about disagreement with your beliefs. It doesn't really cover the option of "I think it looks stupid but it's a tournament and I'm not going to forfeit a game" where the issue is how awful it looks from an aesthetic point of view, not the political beliefs it represents. An army with a bunch of political stickers all over it is going to look terrible no matter what your feelings on the political issue are.

I see, I definitely missworded my original post. By stickers I mean I would paint on the logo rather than straight up sticking the things on. I am not the best painter but I recon I could make them at least bareable to look at.

Again my fault for my wording (it's been a long day)

 mrhappyface wrote:

the scientific aspect of gaging the responses of such a move

This right here throws up the flags and I would actively avoid you. Some of the most vile 'pranks' are covered by "it's a social experiment". No it's not. It's trying to get a rise out of people for your own amusement and it's not necessary. Keep your politics to places where a political discussion, protest or symbol are appropriate.

 oldzoggy wrote:
"I could not care less if we agree or not, I don't like to mix political discussions while gaming, but would play you anyway"

"I could not care less if we agree or not, I don't like to mix political discussions while gaming, but would not play you"

"Our gaming group already have don't mix politics and gaming house rules"

"I enjoy trolling or and political bickering in my gaming group and would love to play you"

"Mixing politics and gaming is fine, but I have issues with mixing 40k with non 40k stuff"

and there are tons of options that start with

" I have no strong opinion about brexit .."

I have added a few but it is impossible to have all the stand points on this, as you have said there are tons of options, so 'other' will have to serfice for now.
Sorry I couldn't cover everything.

If the models look cool, I wouldn't care

 SharkoutofWata wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

the scientific aspect of gaging the responses of such a move

This right here throws up the flags and I would actively avoid you. Some of the most vile 'pranks' are covered by "it's a social experiment". No it's not. It's trying to get a rise out of people for your own amusement and it's not necessary. Keep your politics to places where a political discussion, protest or symbol are appropriate.

On the contrary, it would be quite interesting to see what the wargames community thinks about Brexit. However I can concede that perhaps it wouldn't be the best way to conduct such a 'survey'.

This was merely a thought I had on the train home today, I wasn't sure how it would go down so I have asked here.

 mrhappyface wrote:
On the contrary, it would be quite interesting to see what the wargames community thinks about Brexit.

Then perhaps you should read the off-topic forum here, where there are various discussions of the subject currently happening.

 mrhappyface wrote:

I have added a few but it is impossible to have all the stand points on this, as you have said there are tons of options, so 'other' will have to serfice for now.
Sorry I couldn't cover everything.

Nice the only one you seem to be missing is the " I don't like to mix gaming and politics" one. The rest seems to be covered roughly sort off.


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Also note that there is a serious possibility that the TO will refuse you to play with political themed armies the next time you want to enter there.