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I play a nurgle themed csm army and this last week got destroyed by a wraithknight. was going over my list and was thinking of adding a deamon prince to take on in close combat. i will give him nurgle , wings, armor and black mace. that makes him 265 points. he is survivable with 2+ jink till he gets in combat. with 6 + d6 attacks on charge hiting on 3 and wounding on 2's. do you think this is a viable option or to much of a point sink.

Sounds good against most things. Wraithknight I wouldn't be sure of.

With the mace it would wound on 2's with ap2 so he would only get the feel no pain. I have not tried it yet but in theory i think it would be effective

You rely entirely on the D6 extra attacks to kill it unless you expect everything to hit, everything to wound and every Feel No Pain to fail. That's assuming you don't get shot dead by D first and the Wraithknight can just jump away.

Wraith Knight will win. I5. 5 str D attacks in melee. Your 2++ invul grimoire wont save you.

If the nurgle prince was souped up fully, and from the chaos daemons codex, he could reliably kill a wraithknight.

A csm one just probably won't. It's possible, but really unlikely.

Could pick up some nurglings and run an allied detachment. Give the daemon prince wings, 2 greater rewards and a lesser reward. Take a balesword for instant death (denying fnp and doing d3 wounds for each unsaved wound). Make him a psyker level 3 and roll everything on biomancy. If you get iron arm you can reroll your to wounds, and you'll be str 9 so you'll wound on 3's. Your rewards and 2+ cover save will keep you alive until you get there.


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If you manage to get warp speed, that would give you an extra 3 instant death attacks as well.


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Grief wrote:
Wraith Knight will win. I5. 5 str D attacks in melee. Your 2++ invul grimoire wont save you.

Daemon prince strikes first... not sure why you quoted the wraith knights initiative as if it was relevant. The wraithknight is forced to makes saves first. You just need to find a way to down it before then.

Against a shooty Wraithknight, yes you might kill it. The Ghostglaive Wraithknight might hold out against your attacks witht he 5++ invuln and then it's good night.

Not that I rate your chances of making it into combat.

6 attacks from the nurgle prince on the charge, 4 hits, 3/4 wounds, 1 saved from the 5++, that's 2d3 or 3d3 wounds with no fnp. So it all depends on what your d3 rolls are.

I am starting to see that this may not be the best choice. it was a shooty wraith. what do you recommend to combat the night using the csm dex. do not own deamons

Honestly? Nothing from the csm dex...


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Since it's shooty, your original idea is likely the best.

Would a renegade knight with reaper be a better choice. i already use dual gat knight in my list

Do you happen to know the rest of the list you'll be facing against?

If he has any form of d - cannons from vaul's wrath or wraith guard, take a cyclopia cabal with familiar and shoot the wraithknight with his own armies d weapons.

A knight may be alright too, I haven't run one more than once so I'm not much help there.

What's a cyclopia cabal? What's that from?

It's a new formation for csm. I think it's 4 sorcerors, and they all gain a warp charge 3 power that let's you choose a (non-vehicle?) Unit and shoot with it as if it was your own unit.

I'm not super familiar with it so hopefully someone that is will also comment.

this is what he will be taking
cad
hq
autarch

troops
3x3 windriders

fast
1x2 viper
1x1 viper

heavy
fire prism
night spinner

low
wraith

formation aspect host
dark reapers
fire dragons
wave serpant

The aspect host is illegal. You need three aspects and there are only two there.

You could try multi-charging it with Lasher Tendril Maulerfiends with the Daemon Prince.

There's always going to be a chance it will kill you, but if you are going mono-chaos marines its your best bet outside of a Daemon Marked Chaos Knight Titan from forge world. It's close combat sword is strength D and has +1 to the D chart against MC and GMC's.

Yeah, there's not much else in his list that would seriously threaten the wraithknight to make the cyclopia cabal worth it, especially considering those fire dragons will likely be in the wave serpent until they're out of range of the wraithknight.

What Brutus apex said is useful as well. Those two things together should kill it. But getting them both in combat in a timely manner could prove challenging.

Psychic Shriek could be an option, just leave all Sorcerers unmarked and roll on telepathy.

The WK will win due to stomps.
Every combat round the WK has a ~1/3 chance of stomping your prince out of existence. (2 stomps on average, each stomp having a 1/6 chance of gibbing)
In addition to the stomps, the WK is swinging D. Failing the invuln, or a 6 being rolled is bad news for the prince.
A sword and board WK has a 5++ and FNP, reducing all incoming damage by 55%, meaning you need to effectively wound it 12 times.

I ran a Tetrad for months in tourneys. Roughly half of my prince deaths were from stomps.

You could always ally in a Renegade Knight. It isn't the best option for going toe-to-toe with a WK, but it could stand a chance.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
You could always ally in a Renegade Knight. It isn't the best option for going toe-to-toe with a WK, but it could stand a chance.

A Chaos Knight gets the Foe-Reaper weapon which does better against SH. That's what I'd go with.

 Lukash_ wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
You could always ally in a Renegade Knight. It isn't the best option for going toe-to-toe with a WK, but it could stand a chance.

A Chaos Knight gets the Foe-Reaper weapon which does better against SH. That's what I'd go with.

the WK swings first at i5 so with the StrD sword it has like a 75% to kill the chaos knight before it gets to swing

With the exception of the ceretus lancer, Imperial knights tend to get wrecked by WK if the Eldar player is at least remotely competent.

I don't see how a Nurgle Prince does 3/4 wounds without Corruption, and even then that's not a one round kill, which means you are going to get stomped and hit with a D weapon. Since GCs care not for poison, and S6 vs T8 means you are wounding on 6s with that Balesword.

A Black Mace might do it, since It has FleshbaneFleshbane and +d6 attacks. I had a smashfether learn the hard way what happens when a Daemon Prince has 12 attacks.

Though, the WK will hit on 5s because of the DPs WS9? Maybe you can live if you are lucky.

A BT of Insensate Rage might do it, but again, the Stomps and Wk swinging first...

Biomancy fishing for Iron Arm + Balesword I'd imagine.

Not to mention that it's standing on the ground for one turn when it lands as he can't land and charge, so you're taking all his firepower in that turn.

Also assume he isn't getting Invis, I don't fancy the dps chances at all. Even those dark reapers with the range finder will give it a tough time in the air

WK might also step back into cover and make you charge through it, making you I1, in which case it would just slap you once and you are dead.

A Knight-Lancer is my go-to answer.

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WK might also step back into cover and make you charge through it, making you I1, in which case it would just slap you once and you are dead.

This^^. There no build of Daemon Prince (CSM or Daemons) that has assault grenades. WK is str10, even without the D-glaive. 1 failed save is all it takes for the DP to go splat.

This leaves you with 2 viable options:
1) Tetrad for T6 Princes so you can survive the first slap. Unfortunately, this option really forces you to build an army around it, preferable all Daemons.
2) Belakor. He can be taken as a CSM HQ if you have the dataslate. He has EW, so no ID to Str10, AND his sword has Fleshbane. Unfortunately he doesn't have enough attacks to splat a WK in 1 go, so you need to have dealt some wounds to it first. You also need Invis up, but at this point you are better off taking a big Spawn unit to tie up the WK.

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