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2016/07/21 11:28:20
Subject: Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
It would go a LONG way to smoothing over race relations if like this weren't becoming so damned commonplace. The video on Yahoo's site has news commentary included. I linked a Youtube video which has only the raw feed plus subtitles.
Helping autistic man, black therapist shot by Florida police: media
(Reuters) - A video emerged online on Wednesday showing the moments before an unarmed black Florida man was shot by police as he lay in a street with his hands up next to an autistic patient whom he was trying to help, media reported.
Behavioral therapist Charles Kinsey was hospitalized after he was shot three times in the leg by a North Miami police officer during an incident on Monday, media said.
The incident comes at a time when racial tension is high in the United States. Protests have erupted in major U.S. cities during the past year and a half, as widely viewed videos of police shootings of black men drew attention to long-standing issues of race, policing and lack of accountability for officers.
Kinsey told WSVN-TV in Miami that he was trying to calm an autistic patient who had just ran away from an area group home. Kinsey said he found the patient sitting in a street playing with a toy truck.
A video that accompanied the news station’s online story showed a black man in a T-shirt and shorts lying on his back with his hands up next to a man, who appears to have an object in his hand.
“All he has is a truck. A toy truck. I’m a behavior therapist at a group home,” a man is heard saying in the cell phone video as police officers are seen with their weapons drawn.
The North Miami Police Department said in a statement that officers responded to a call of an armed suspect threatening suicide. Officers arrived at the scene and found an autistic man and an employee with an assist living facility.
At some point during the on-scene negotiation, one of the responding officers fired his weapon, striking the employee, police said.
The moment of the shooting was not captured on the video and it is unclear why the officer fired his weapon.
An officer has been placed under administrative leave. An investigation is ongoing with the assistance of the Miami-Dade State Attorney’s Office, the department said.
2016/07/21 11:34:52
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
"At some point during the on-scene negotiation, one of the responding officers fired his weapon, striking the employee, police said. "
Kick him off the force, strip him off his 2nd amendment rights and pass an act of congress that bans him from ever being able to own anything more dangerous than a carrot!
That's the only cure for this level of stupidity...
I am sympathetic to gun owners, my comment history backs this up, but God almighty, idiots like this should be exiled to Alaska to guard an igloo for the rest of their lives...
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2016/07/21 11:38:20
Subject: Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
The Second Amendment has nothing to do with police shooting someone helping an autistic kid.
I've only seen this on Yahoo, but first thought is WTF???
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2016/07/21 11:38:28
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: "At some point during the on-scene negotiation, one of the responding officers fired his weapon, striking the employee, police said. "
Kick him off the force, strip him off his 2nd amendment rights and pass an act of congress that bans him from ever being able to own anything more dangerous than a carrot!
That's the only cure for this level of stupidity...
I am sympathetic to gun owners, my comment history backs this up, but God almighty, idiots like this should be exiled to Alaska to guard an igloo for the rest of their lives...
I would agree with you if this story is accurate, but seeing as they literally edited out a GIANT chunk of what happened I say we wait until the facts are in, I know, crazy to actually wait for evidence when we can instead just yell racist cops, but I guess I am old fashioned like that.
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: "At some point during the on-scene negotiation, one of the responding officers fired his weapon, striking the employee, police said. "
Kick him off the force, strip him off his 2nd amendment rights and pass an act of congress that bans him from ever being able to own anything more dangerous than a carrot!
That's the only cure for this level of stupidity...
I am sympathetic to gun owners, my comment history backs this up, but God almighty, idiots like this should be exiled to Alaska to guard an igloo for the rest of their lives...
I would agree with you if this story is accurate, but seeing as they literally edited out a GIANT chunk of what happened I say we wait until the facts are in, I know, crazy to actually wait for evidence when we can instead just yell racist cops, but I guess I am old fashioned like that.
Normally I would agree with you, and I'd be the last person to jump to knee-jerk reactions, but Cops in America must be aware of the current climate, and yet, this happens.
Even from that footage, it is clear that neither of those men is a threat.
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2016/07/21 11:57:02
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
I would agree with you if this story is accurate, but seeing as they literally edited out a GIANT chunk of what happened I say we wait until the facts are in, I know, crazy to actually wait for evidence when we can instead just yell racist cops, but I guess I am old fashioned like that.
I can't think of anything to explain why the cop would feel the need to shoot at an unarmed man trying to explain what's going on whilst laying on the ground with his hands visible.
Do blacks need to start carrying large print cards explaining what they are doing and asking not to be shot?
As usual, I really can't see the outcome being the same if he was white.
2016/07/21 12:16:45
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
I would agree with you if this story is accurate, but seeing as they literally edited out a GIANT chunk of what happened I say we wait until the facts are in, I know, crazy to actually wait for evidence when we can instead just yell racist cops, but I guess I am old fashioned like that.
I can't think of anything to explain why the cop would feel the need to shoot at an unarmed man trying to explain what's going on whilst laying on the ground with his hands visible.
Do blacks need to start carrying large print cards explaining what they are doing and asking not to be shot?
As usual, I really can't see the outcome being the same if he was white.
If he'd been white, the autistic guy would have been shot, most likely.
It might not be their intention, but US police do a damn fine job of looking like they wish to kill all non-whites.
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2016/07/21 12:20:00
Subject: Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
NORTH MIAMI, FLA. (WSVN) - A therapist who works with people with disabilities is telling his story after he said police shot him while he was trying to help his patient with autism.
Cellphone video was released Wednesday afternoon showing Charles Kinsey lying on the ground with his hands in the air, telling officers that weapons are not necessary. “When I went to the ground, I’m going to the ground just like this here with my hands up,” Kinsey said, “and I am laying down here just like this, and I’m telling them again, ‘Sir, there is no need for firearms. I’m unarmed, he’s an autistic guy. He got a toy truck in his hand.”
In his hospital bed, Kinsey said, he was attempting to calm an autistic patient who ran away from a group home. Kinsey could be heard in the video saying, “All he has is a toy truck. A toy truck. I am a behavior therapist at a group home.”
He is also heard asking his patient to calm down. “Rinaldo, please be still, Rinaldo. Sit down, Rinaldo. Lay on your stomach.”
The ordeal went on for a few minutes before Kinsey said one of the officers shot him. “I’m like this right here, and when he shot me, it was so surprising,” Kinsey said. “It was like a mosquito bite, and when it hit me, I’m like, ‘I still got my hands in the air, and I said, ‘No I just got shot! And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me, he said, ‘I don’t know.'”
North Miami Police said the incident began, Monday, when someone called 911 and said there was a man walking around with a gun threatening suicide. Kinsey said the man was his patient and the alleged gun was a toy truck, which he said was clearly visible to police. “I was really more worried about him than myself. I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking, they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong.”
Kinsey was then shot in the leg. The shooting was not captured on camera but Kinsey said he had his hands up the entire time.
The therapist said police then rushed him, patted him down and put him in handcuffs. Kinsey said what police did after the shooting is what upsets him the most. “They flipped me over, and I’m faced down in the ground, with cuffs on, waiting on the rescue squad to come. I’d say about 20, about 20 minutes it took the rescue squad to get there. And I was like, bleeding — I mean bleeding and I was like, ‘Wow.'”
Despite everything that’s happened, Kinsey is happy to be alive. Standing by his bedside, his wife said, “Right now, I am just grateful that he is alive, and he is able to tell his story.”
Kinsey only wants to help people and is perplexed as to why officers fired. “My life flashed in front of me,” he said. “When he hit me, my first thing I’m thinking, I’m thinking about my family.”
Around 6 p.m. Wednesday, a group called the Circle of Brotherhood stood outside the North Miami Police Department, requesting that police answer questions about what happened and if the officer responsible for shooting will face charges.
The organization, which Kinsey is a part, of works to solve problems in the community.
Kinsey’s lawyer, Hilton Napoleon, is outraged. “There’s no justification for shooting an unarmed person who’s talking to you and telling you that they don’t have a gun, and that they’re a mental health counselor,” Napoleon said.
North Miami Police have not released the officer’s name or an update on their investigation. However, they did say that the State Attorney is now involved with the investigation.
Copyright 2016 Sunbeam Television Corp. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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2016/07/21 12:35:11
Subject: Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
US police never do de-escalation. Their solution is either: white guy gets handcuffs, or somebody has to be shot.
None of the above is true.
You are seeing some disgusting incidents. They are rare when you consider we are a nation of 350 million. But they shouldn't happen at all. Those responsible should be punished.
However, please refrain from such broad strokes before I remind you that
All English people drink tea. All English people have Princess Diana commemorative plates hanging in their living room. All English people are Manchester United fans. All English people think the EU is a bag of dicks.
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2016/07/21 12:36:20
Subject: Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
The story clearly says there is nothing that indicates why the shooting took place.
So... can we please wait for some facts to come around before judgement happens.
You'd think the 8+ dead police officers in the last 10 days would have people thinking twice about jumping off the emotional bridge the second they hear news about something.
Full Frontal Nerdity
2016/07/21 12:37:27
Subject: Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
The ordeal went on for a few minutes before Kinsey said one of the officers shot him. “I’m like this right here, and when he shot me, it was so surprising,” Kinsey said. “It was like a mosquito bite, and when it hit me, I’m like, ‘I still got my hands in the air, and I said, ‘No I just got shot! And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me, he said, ‘I don’t know.'”
If true, take his gun. Read him his rights. Put him in a cell.
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2016/07/21 12:37:37
Subject: Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
> Guy explaining himself, complying with cops, hands up
> Cop shoots him, bc lol > Cop doesn't konw why he shot the guy
> Another cop shoots the guy for a second time, because bleeding is resisting arrest
Totes not racist.
2016/07/21 12:41:13
Subject: Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2016/07/21 12:41:23
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
An earlier poster said that we shouldn't jump to conclusions without evidence, and they were right. Now we have that evidence, I repeat my earlier comment.
Kick this officer of the force, strip them of their 2nd amendment rights, make them guard an igloo in Alaska for the rest of their lives, and give them cutlery made from rubber, because clearly they cannot be trusted with something as lethal as a firearm...
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2016/07/21 12:42:58
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: An earlier poster said that we shouldn't jump to conclusions without evidence, and they were right. Now we have that evidence, I repeat my earlier comment.
Kick this officer of the force, strip them of their 2nd amendment rights, make them guard an igloo in Alaska for the rest of their lives, and give them cutlery made from rubber, because clearly they cannot be trusted with something as lethal as a firearm...
No. convict that officer of a felony, like anyone else would be.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2016/07/21 12:43:35
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: An earlier poster said that we shouldn't jump to conclusions without evidence, and they were right. Now we have that evidence, I repeat my earlier comment.
Kick this officer of the force, strip them of their 2nd amendment rights, make them guard an igloo in Alaska for the rest of their lives, and give them cutlery made from rubber, because clearly they cannot be trusted with something as lethal as a firearm...
Or, try them in a court of law and punish him justly, if/when convicted.
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2016/07/21 12:50:30
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
Somebody points a gun, fires, then says he didn't know why he fired, and then somebody else starts shooting...
2nd amendment be damned! Lock them up, and when they get out, give them a court order that says they're back in jail if they even look at a gun.
American society has the right to bear arms, but it also has the right to be protected from idiots like this.
Apologies if I'm going over the top, but the stupidity of this incident...I just cannot fathom it...
I feel sorry for sensible gun owners who get lumped in with these idiots...
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2016/07/21 12:53:05
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
The more I see things like this happening, the more I wonder if the officers involved are former military. I do not mean that as a slam on those who have served in the armed forces as they and their families sacrifice a great deal to provide our safety, and there are obviously a great number of traits about the military that align well with police work. However, in the modern professional US military, soldiers are trained to kill as a reflex and not as a conscious thought because most humans, when they think about it, are loathe to shoot another human being with the intent to kill. This is a bad trait in a soldier, so the training often focuses on short-circuiting the "do not kill humans" instinct by making it a non-thought action.
While that obviously makes them better soldiers, it makes them awful police officers in a threatening situation. With how stressful those situations inevitably are, their reflexes will kick in and their reflex is to kill because that's what we (meaning society) spent a lot of time and energy making it be. The officer's reported comment of "I don't know" to why he shot the man aligns with that theory. He doesn't know because his brain didn't actually make that choice; his earlier training made that choice for him (if he's former military).
Now, people can also just be hateful people and/or flat-out make mistakes. However, I do see a great deal of overlap between the military and the police in terms of personnel, and I wonder if that's a hidden cause.
2016/07/21 12:55:53
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
Krinsath wrote: The more I see things like this happening, the more I wonder if the officers involved are former military. I do not mean that as a slam on those who have served in the armed forces as they and their families sacrifice a great deal to provide our safety, and there are obviously a great number of traits about the military that align well with police work. However, in the modern professional US military, soldiers are trained to kill as a reflex and not as a conscious thought because most humans, when they think about it, are loathe to shoot another human being with the intent to kill. This is a bad trait in a soldier, so the training often focuses on short-circuiting the "do not kill humans" instinct by making it a non-thought action.
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The military has Rules of Engagement that are faaaaaaar stricter than what cops deal with. If cops followed the RoE the way we expect our military to then this would never happen, and if it did he would be in prison very soon.
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2016/07/21 13:07:59
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
Kronk, some points of mine in response to your comment.
In no particular order:
If you're familiar with my comment history you'll know I'm sympathetic and supportive of the rights of Americans to keep guns.
Hell, in the new black panther thread, I was arguing in favour of African Americans to exercise their right to open carry.
In the vast majority of cases, our everyday police in the UK don't walk around armed, and we're largely an unarmed society, so you can't argue that the cops would still be armed if there were no guns on the streets.
I brought the 2nd into this for the following reason: clearly this man should not be trusted with a gun because he is a danger to himself and society at large, cop or no cop...
He has clearly demonstrated that his 2nd amendment rights should be suspended indefinitely...
Carrying a firearm is a fundamental right for Americans, but responsibility has to go hand in hand with that. Guns are not toys...
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2016/07/21 13:11:42
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
He has clearly demonstrated that his 2nd amendment rights should be suspended indefinitely...
Carrying a firearm is a fundamental right for Americans, but responsibility has to go hand in hand with that. Guns are not toys...
I agree with you 100% that this guy should be in prison and nowhere near a gun. However, I am just having a hard time where the 2nd amendment comes in, even with your explanation.
As a cop, he'll have a gun on him, whether we had the 2nd amendment or not. I guess I'm still confused by your approach to it, but fair enough. I'll drop some of the snark above...
Carry on!
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2016/07/21 13:13:17
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
I'm sure the officer in question will surely question his actions when he gets a paid vacation (while they do an investigation) and then is cleared of all wrongdoing, as always.
I'd like to see the dashcam or body cam footage for that missing part, though.
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2016/07/21 13:14:49
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: An earlier poster said that we shouldn't jump to conclusions without evidence, and they were right. Now we have that evidence, I repeat my earlier comment.
Kick this officer of the force, strip them of their 2nd amendment rights, make them guard an igloo in Alaska for the rest of their lives, and give them cutlery made from rubber, because clearly they cannot be trusted with something as lethal as a firearm...
Or, try them in a court of law and punish him justly, if/when convicted.
Far too rational. We need to immediately use the incident to somehow prove that there is a national epidemic of racial police shootings (not just more/selective reporting) and jump to conclusions and avoid all due process. Because that should turn out well.
-James
2016/07/21 13:21:48
Subject: Re:Florida... again... Cop shoots black man who is a therapist helping an autistic patient.
jmurph wrote: Far too rational. We need to immediately use the incident to somehow prove that there is a national epidemic of racial police shootings (not just more/selective reporting) and jump to conclusions and avoid all due process. Because that should turn out well.
I know it's fun to blame the meeeeeeedia for all of our problems, but the number of police officers charged with murder tripled in 2015. With the advent of bodycams, dashcams, and ominpresent cell phone videos, it's getting harder to pretend there isn't an actual real problem with policing in the US - from the methods that policing takes, to the disinclination of good cops to report bad cops, and to the public for failing to indict what are sometimes readily apparent bad actors.
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like this weren't becoming so damned commonplace. The video on Yahoo's site has news commentary included. I linked a Youtube video which has only the 
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