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1. Does anyone know where the point value for the warscroll battalion included in this boxset is?

2. Does a treeman ancient, whom has the keyword "treelord ancient" count as a "treelord" in said battalion?

3. If the warscroll battalion does not have a listed point value anywhere, am I able to use it in a pitched battle game?

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No points value (but send me the stats and I could approximate).

Yes, it has the Keyword "Treelord" so all clear.

No, but as always you are free to negotiate it with your opponent.

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As Ninth states, and if you have the Sylvaneth book maybe look at the existing battalions, see their points value and then set an approximate points value on the battalion deemed on how effective you think it is. Suggest it to your opponent and tweak it if you think it throws the balance off.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
No points value (but send me the stats and I could approximate).

Yes, it has the Keyword "Treelord" so all clear.

No, but as always you are free to negotiate it with your opponent.


This is sadly not correct. Battalions use unit names not keywords, so no, this battalion have to include a Treelord - no Treelord Ancient. When Keywords are used, both in battalions and rules, they are always shown as bolded text.

As for points, just let your opponent bring a free battalion at somewhat equal strenght?
   
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Last Edition wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
No points value (but send me the stats and I could approximate).

Yes, it has the Keyword "Treelord" so all clear.

No, but as always you are free to negotiate it with your opponent.


This is sadly not correct. Battalions use unit names not keywords, so no, this battalion have to include a Treelord - no Treelord Ancient. When Keywords are used, both in battalions and rules, they are always shown as bolded text.

As for points, just let your opponent bring a free battalion at somewhat equal strenght?


From the FAQ (page 6) it seems that they do use keywords. Skarsnik being able to be used as the Night Goblin Warboss in a battalion because he has the keywords is the example used. I think it would apply here too.

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Last Edition wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
No points value (but send me the stats and I could approximate).

Yes, it has the Keyword "Treelord" so all clear.

No, but as always you are free to negotiate it with your opponent.


This is sadly not correct. Battalions use unit names not keywords, so no, this battalion have to include a Treelord - no Treelord Ancient. When Keywords are used, both in battalions and rules, they are always shown as bolded text.

As for points, just let your opponent bring a free battalion at somewhat equal strenght?


To add the keyword is treelord ancient not the key words treelord, ancient. Grammar is important in AoS and it's the placement of that comma makes the difference.

   
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 Bottle wrote:
Last Edition wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
No points value (but send me the stats and I could approximate).

Yes, it has the Keyword "Treelord" so all clear.

No, but as always you are free to negotiate it with your opponent.


This is sadly not correct. Battalions use unit names not keywords, so no, this battalion have to include a Treelord - no Treelord Ancient. When Keywords are used, both in battalions and rules, they are always shown as bolded text.

As for points, just let your opponent bring a free battalion at somewhat equal strenght?


From the FAQ (page 6) it seems that they do use keywords. Skarsnik being able to be used as the Night Goblin Warboss in a battalion because he has the keywords is the example used. I think it would apply here too.


That FAQ answered a specific question concerning named characters, not whether the battalions use unit names or keywords. Thats not to say no Battalion use keywords, many do, but they use bolded text; see all the Wargrove battalions in the Sylvaneth battletome, they use SYLVANETH, DUARDIN, ORDER WIZARD, ORDER keywords (viewed like that). They have a very noticeable layout.
   
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There are two more questions on page 7 that state the battalion requirements are keywords. If the comma is important better let all those chaos players know that their Mortal God battalion requirements are impossible to meet, since their units have those two keywords separated by a comma! But seriously it's pretty obvious how they intend it to work, AoS isn't worth getting super stiff about with the rules.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
There are two more questions on page 7 that state the battalion requirements are keywords. If the comma is important better let all those chaos players know that their Mortal God battalion requirements are impossible to meet, since their units have those two keywords separated by a comma! But seriously it's pretty obvious how they intend it to work, AoS isn't worth getting super stiff about with the rules.


That's different as the keywords are written as a list thus treelord ancient =/= having the keywords treelord and ancient. While they're referencing to things that must have both of those keywords elsewhere. Otherwise the same chaos players can look at having the keywords of and darkness on some of their models.

   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
There are two more questions on page 7 that state the battalion requirements are keywords. If the comma is important better let all those chaos players know that their Mortal God battalion requirements are impossible to meet, since their units have those two keywords separated by a comma! But seriously it's pretty obvious how they intend it to work, AoS isn't worth getting super stiff about with the rules.


FAQs are not a place to look for rules, specific questions, yes, but not rules. And this is no where near clear what GWs intentions was, hence we have a different view on the matter

Let see on the specifics on this new battalion:

1 Treelord
1 Branchwych
1 unit of Dryads

Pretty clear to me that this is what you can bring, But you say this also includes Treelord ancient.

Lets look at another Battelion:

Lords of the Clan
1 Treelord Ancient (head of the clan)
1-3 Treelord Ancients
1-3 Treelords

So, if this is working how you interpret the rules for battalions, a player can bring 7 Treelords and Treelord ancient in any combination because they all have the correct keyword? I think GWs intention is pretty clear
   
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 n0t_u wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
There are two more questions on page 7 that state the battalion requirements are keywords. If the comma is important better let all those chaos players know that their Mortal God battalion requirements are impossible to meet, since their units have those two keywords separated by a comma! But seriously it's pretty obvious how they intend it to work, AoS isn't worth getting super stiff about with the rules.


That's different as the keywords are written as a list thus treelord ancient =/= having the keywords treelord and ancient. While they're referencing to things that must have both of those keywords elsewhere. Otherwise the same chaos players can look at having the keywords of and darkness on some of their models.
Oh my bad then, I thought the Treelord Ancient did have the two keywords separated but on a closer look they do not.


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Last Edition wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
There are two more questions on page 7 that state the battalion requirements are keywords. If the comma is important better let all those chaos players know that their Mortal God battalion requirements are impossible to meet, since their units have those two keywords separated by a comma! But seriously it's pretty obvious how they intend it to work, AoS isn't worth getting super stiff about with the rules.


FAQs are not a place to look for rules, specific questions, yes, but not rules. And this is no where near clear what GWs intentions was, hence we have a different view on the matter

Let see on the specifics on this new battalion:

1 Treelord
1 Branchwych
1 unit of Dryads

Pretty clear to me that this is what you can bring, But you say this also includes Treelord ancient.

Lets look at another Battelion:

Lords of the Clan
1 Treelord Ancient (head of the clan)
1-3 Treelord Ancients
1-3 Treelords

So, if this is working how you interpret the rules for battalions, a player can bring 7 Treelords and Treelord ancient in any combination because they all have the correct keyword? I think GWs intention is pretty clear
I thought the keywords were different (see above) but even without that you could not bring 7 Treelords because they don't fill the Ancient requirement. Similarly you could not bring 7 Ancients because the battalion limits you to 4 max. But its moot anyway because the keywords aren't the same like I thought.

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So the consesus is that treelord ancient is indeed a different keyword than treelord?
   
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 Swabby wrote:
So the consesus is that treelord ancient is indeed a different keyword than treelord?
Yes, I was wrong in my initial statement. The Ancient cannot be used in place of the normal Treelord.

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