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Looking at new Red veil and some previews from Gencon has me wanting to build Yu Jing as my Second force

ISS Forward Patrol
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GROUP 1 9 4
SUN TZE Lieutenant (Advanced Command) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 57)
RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

GROUP 2 5
CELESTIAL GUARD Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
LÙ DUĀN Mk12, Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
LÙ DUĀN Mk12, Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 59)

5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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Maybe I'm going to sound Nuts but I Love the Remotes for them. Specifically the Rui Shi and Lu Duan.

Lu Duan with its Mk12, Heavy Flamethrower, MSVL1, Holoprojector L2, and the stuff that come with Remote presence for 0/21
Rui Shi Spitfire, Remote presence for 1/20

They Seem like a Steal!
After reading the rules for Buffing REMs seems like you could reall Add that extra boost to make them even more dangerous.

Assisted fire (Marksmanship L2) Rui Shi's Spitfire or the Mk12 or even worse the Heavy Flamethrower with Shock Ammo and with no roll needed.
MSVL/ignoring cover with shock ammo.... What?!

Sun Tze gives the Extra command token and WIP 17 gives a nice strategic edge.

The Su Jian is a beast, great weapons, sweet profile. Its fast and can hit hard at mid range.

Celestial guard hacker... WIP 14, 0.5/21 okaaay

Kuang Shi cheerleading, Sophotect working, 2nd Celestial guard for extra smoke

Lots if cool things to do in this list. Any thoughts on improving the list (keeping the 4 REMs)
Or Tactics... I'd love to hear about Tactics for a force like this

Imperial Service
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GROUP 1 10 4
CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
PANGGULING Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25)
RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
SUN TZE Lieutenant (Advanced Command) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 61)
SÙ-JIÀN Heavy Shotgun, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 54)

GROUP 2 4
CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
LÙ DUĀN Mk12, Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
LÙ DUĀN Mk12, Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

4.5 SWC | 300 Points

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My two cents (I used to play on a regulary base against ISS):

Su Jian with BS is the better option (or worse, a POV thing ) thanks to its fast movement and bonus on shooting in close range

also it'll need orders, put it in the BIG combat group!

four (five in my list) remotes with repeaters?! That screams for the EVO hacking Pangguling because of Overclock

you need a sniper. Sun Tse can do this pretty good but I'd recommend some ChOC guys (e.g., Pheasants)

give the Sophotect as much bots as possible, she's the ISS' only Doc/Eng thus a weak point. Better she doesn't have to move out of her hidingplace before the 3rd round

fun idea: Sforza + Sun Tse

 Tristan228 wrote:
Imperial Service
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GROUP 1 10 4
CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
PANGGULING Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25)
RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
SUN TZE Lieutenant (Advanced Command) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 61)
SÙ-JIÀN Heavy Shotgun, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 54)

GROUP 2 4
CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
LÙ DUĀN Mk12, Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
LÙ DUĀN Mk12, Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

4.5 SWC | 300 Points

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My two cents (I used to play on a regulary base against ISS):

Su Jian with BS is the better option (or worse, a POV thing ) thanks to its fast movement and bonus on shooting in close range

also it'll need orders, put it in the BIG combat group!

four (five in my list) remotes with repeaters?! That screams for the EVO hacking Pangguling because of Overclock

you need a sniper. Sun Tse can do this pretty good but I'd recommend some ChOC guys (e.g., Pheasants)

give the Sophotect as much bots as possible, she's the ISS' only Doc/Eng thus a weak point. Better she doesn't have to move out of her hidingplace before the 3rd round

fun idea: Sforza + Sun Tse

Overclock! Tristan you're a Genius! See man thats why I post my list ideas here, I wasn't even thinking EVO. I'm pretty sure this force [Overclocking Lu Duan/Rui Shi] will be the basis of my ISS list.

The Neoterra list I posted before With all the Advice you gave me on Devas and Sensors is the first 300 I'm working Toward so thanks for all the Advice man once I get models done I'll post pics. It's nice to get a little input.

I got a couple of questions
Why Sforza + Sun Tse?
Should I bring a second Hacker?
Is there a Better place to Spend 1.5/54 than the Su Jian?

I revamped the list a little to include more Hacking support as well as an HMG 360° visor total reaction REM. Now Overclock NDB for Husong but Marksmanship L2 on a HMG and a Weibing for Detective work.

ISS Forward Patrol II
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GROUP 1 10 4
SUN TZE Lieutenant (Advanced Command) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 61)
CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
PANGGULING Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25)
RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
LÙ DUĀN Mk12, Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)

GROUP 2 5
CELESTIAL GUARD Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
LÙ DUĀN Mk12, Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
WÈIBĪNG Yaókòng Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

6 SWC | 300 Points

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 5deadly wrote:

I got a couple of questions
Why Sforza + Sun Tse?
Should I bring a second Hacker?
Is there a Better place to Spend 1.5/54 than the Su Jian?

Sforza has Holoprojector L2 which allows you to impersonate any silhouette 2 model of your sectorial (the lu duan could do the same with any S4 model) which means you could deploy two or four Sun Tses! Well, actually one original, Sforza disguised as Sun and Sforza's two Holoechoes.
Depends on what you intend to do with the Hackers. Most time one is enough but the generally high WIP of the ISS makes them always a quite good choice. Also the matter of a better choice according the Su Jian is based on your actual playstyle, the mission and much more. I heard the rumor that eight kuang shi can be really nasty and more effective in hindering your opponent than many more expensive troops.

I hope Kuang Shi get new models soon. I can't bring myself to buy the old ones. I was looking into maybe Bao as proxies

But you can't run more than one fireteam at a time right? Them not in a fireteam...Doesn't that make them loose cannons or am I trippin?

I was thinking about bringing the Kanren w/Assault Hacking it really has a ton of options but i figured more REM support as an open option would be better

I didn't know L2 Holo did that... So much to learn

Oh, the Kanren is actually better than Sforza due to the regular order and the possible specialist option. Totally forgot that he has the Holoprojector L2 too!

And yes, you'll get only one Fireteam: Core but you still can deploy the other kuang shis in total cover or somewhere safe. Nevertheless you'll get the regular orders from them for at least one turn.

Yeah I think this will be Army #2
I just really like the Lu Duan/Rui Shi. It calls for 7 Remotes. I think ill grab 3 boxes of Yaoxie pick up another single and convert them all.
I have this Tachikoma assault force in mind. This is gonna be sweet.

So you want to build all REMs out of Yaoxies? You might get some problems with the different silhouette sizes...

same base size right?
If thats the case just use the size template?



Speaking of silhouette sizes, Wait till i get these Stingrays man Chop chop chop... Everseen a Uhlan really taking cover...

Nope, the Yaoxies come with a 40mm base (S3) while the Rui Shi/Lu Duans have a 55mm base..

With your Uhlans you should watch out for E/M Weapons

 Tristan228 wrote:
Nope, the Yaoxies come with a 40mm base (S3) while the Rui Shi/Lu Duans have a 55mm base..

With your Uhlans you should watch out for E/M Weapons

Any ideas on the base sizes... I've never held the models so are they so big they couldn't go down to 40mm

They aren't allowed to go down to 40mm.
Rui Shi and Lu Duan remotes have silhouette size 4 which is a Cylinder defined by a diameter of 55mm and a height of 32mm.
But you actually can use some base extension rings by e.g., customeeple to add the 15mm in dimeter to the 40mm of the Yaoxie type remotes if you want to use them as Rui Shi / lu duan

I was want to make all my Lu Duan/Rui Shi stock but use the same core models (Yaoxie. Box) as my other remotes only converted, is that a no go? Too big?

That's possible to do since there are base extension rings on the market e.g., from customeeple. With these you'll be able to field the S3 Yaoxie models as the S4 Rui Shi / Lu Duan Proxies.

Perfect thanks man