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I want as many str8 from any detachments or even CAD. Preferably on GEq (3pt models)

The only thing coming to mind is msu scouts with a ml. Or long fangs with ml.

I dont care about ap3 too much. I also dont care about blasts.

edit: just remembered Orks n tank hunters. But they are only 24".

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
I want as many str8 from any detachments or even CAD. Preferably on GEq (3pt models)

The only thing coming to mind is msu scouts with a ml. Or long fangs with ml.

I dont care about ap3 too much. I also dont care about blasts.

Sisters of Battle Dominion squads can have upto 4 Melta guns in a 5 woman squad - Scouting and with a Ignore Cover Act of Faith. FA choice (also can be in a scouting Immolator with TL Multi Melta for extra S8, AP1 goodness)

Normal 5 woman Sister squads can also have 2 Melta guns with Prefered enemy Act fo Faith and can also take non scouting Immolators with the Tl Mulit Meltas .

Can then add in HQ units with Combi Meltas.

Sisters like Melta's

ah I see. Too bad SoB are expensive out of productio n pewter.

Btw, which army can get the most Str8 punches? Ignoring shooting.

I know you said GEQ, but Deathwatch termies can take a cyclone launcher each, which works out at 32.5 points per S8 shot, with no tax.

for a space marine devastator squad all with ML it's 130 including a sergeant, so still 32.5 per shot, but 1 shot 3+ sv per model, instead of 2 shots 2+ sv per model.

Main issue is you can only take 3 slots of devs, maxing out at 12 shots per CAD (390 points of devs)

one CAD of DW can get 15 termies (1-5 per squad) so 30 shots (975 points)

You can also take missile launchers on vets (troops) though slightly less efficient (37 per shot) you have more troop slots, so you can spam more missiles.


So the spammiest i can think of is,

Libby - 70 melta 10
Vets 4 ML 170 1 metla 10
Vets 4 ML 170 1 melta 10
Vets 4 ML 170 1 melta 10
Vets 4 ML 170 1 melta 10

5 Cyclone termies 325
5 Cyclone termies 325
5 Cyclone termies 325

1775, and you can fit 2 more melta vets into the squads.

46 S8 36" shots
5-7 S8 12" shots

If you dont mind range, let me know, things get much cheaper with meltas instead of missile launchers.

For melee, i reccomend vanilla marines, load up on Vanguard vets with power mauls (S6) and take a librarian conclave to fish for hammerhand as much as you can. For each squad that gets it its 40 S8 attacks on the charge.

Probably SM Scouts with Power Fists on all the Sergeants, Orks with PK Nobz are more expensive per unit and can't Infiltrate, but they have more models per squad to block shots and Nobz are tougher than Scout Sergeants.

Back on the shooting, there are numerous ways to make a bound list that features nothing but high S guns.

The first that springs to mind is spammed Eldar Aspect Hosts of nothing but Fire Dragons, each guy is BS 5, 3+ armor, can run and shoot, and comes with a Meltagun.

The Space Marine Armored Task Force can also load up on Predators for massive amounts of Lascannon shots. Same with the Imperial Guard equivalent. Speaking of Guard, their Heavy Weapon Teams can put out Missile and Lascannon fire on the cheap quite well.

Dark Eldar can spam darklight weapons like no tomorrow.

Renegade Artillery units w/ Quad Lasers?

Renegades or Inquisition maybe?

Librarian - Combi melta - 80
Veterans 5 meltas -160
Veterans 10 meltas -320
Veterans 10 meltas -320
Veterans 10 meltas -320
Veterans 10 meltas -320
Veterans 10 meltas -320
1840

56 S8 shots
Also all Vets have bolters with Special ammo aswell.

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
ah I see. Too bad SoB are expensive out of productio n pewter.

Btw, which army can get the most Str8 punches? Ignoring shooting.

Grey Knights. Every single model can take a hammer for S8 AP1 (Unwieldy), and can cast Hammerhand for S10 as well.

Orks. Most units can get a nob. A nob can always get a power klaw. They have 3 s8 ap2 attacks when charged, 4 s9 ap2 attacks on the charge.

Bikes, boyz, jump infantry, nob squads, meganobz. We got s8 ap2 EVERYWHERE.

There are crisis suits from as farsight army. Can have 6 squads of 9 crisis suits at 53 points for 2 fusion blaster, making it 26.5 points per model.

Not including a commander or anything else that is 108 18" melts shots for 2862 points, leaving room for a buffmander in a 3k point game.

Eldar hornets win here.

80 points each with 2 pulse lasers (4 shots with 48" range S8 AP2) and they can be squadroned into 3 vehicle units.

Utility wise they have Av11 on the front and sides, moves 12 and is a fast skimmer, seriously they're broken.

Space Wolves Iron Wolves.
WGBL or Wolf Lord (tax unit).
1 -2 units of Long Fangs all packing Missile Launchers and Las-canons loaded into fully decked out (for free) Rhinos or Razorbacks.
2 Squads of Blood Claws (tax unit) loaded into two fully decked out (for free) Razorbacks.
2-4 units of 1-3 fully decked out (for free) Land Speeders.
Wulfen Kitted out for GFA and TH/SS.

You will be the stuff of insta-death nightmares.

 Torus wrote:

Eldar hornets win here.

80 points each with 2 pulse lasers (4 shots with 48" range S8 AP2) and they can be squadroned into 3 vehicle units.

Utility wise they have Av11 on the front and sides, moves 12 and is a fast skimmer, seriously they're broken.

Yep, you beat me to it. While we're talking Eldar, they really do have a surprising amount or Str 8.

Here's a simple CAD for Eldar in which EVERY unit have Str8:

Autarch w Fusion gun
5 Fire Dragons inc/ Exarch
6 Fire Dragons inc/ Exarch
6 Fire Dragons inc/ Exarch

10 Gaurdians w/ EML
10 Guardians w/ EML
10 Gaurdians w/ EML
10 Guardians w/ EML

3 Hornets w/ Pulse Lasers
3 Hornets w/ Pulse Lasers
3 Hornets w/ Pulse Lasers

3 Falcons w/ Pulse laser/Bright lance & Holofields
-------------------------------------------------------------------------That's just under 1850pts and has 60+ str8 shots.

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 Galef wrote:

 Torus wrote:

Eldar hornets win here.

80 points each with 2 pulse lasers (4 shots with 48" range S8 AP2) and they can be squadroned into 3 vehicle units.

Utility wise they have Av11 on the front and sides, moves 12 and is a fast skimmer, seriously they're broken.

Yep, you beat me to it. While we're talking Eldar, they really do have a surprising amount or Str 8.

Here's a simple CAD for Eldar in which EVERY unit have Str8:

Autarch w Fusion gun
5 Fire Dragons inc/ Exarch
6 Fire Dragons inc/ Exarch
6 Fire Dragons inc/ Exarch

10 Gaurdians w/ EML
10 Guardians w/ EML
10 Gaurdians w/ EML
10 Guardians w/ EML

3 Hornets w/ Pulse Lasers
3 Hornets w/ Pulse Lasers
3 Hornets w/ Pulse Lasers

3 Falcons w/ Pulse laser/Bright lance & Holofields
-------------------------------------------------------------------------That's just under 1850pts and has 60+ str8 shots.

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Yep, you beat me beating him.

Hornets don't even need a CAD there's a "hornet swarm" formation. 3 squadrons of hornets with formation cheese. 240pts with pulse lasers 48" x2 str8 ap2 heavy2, Repeat.

and theres...

SM Quad Mortar, 60pts 36" str8 ap4 heavy4 sunder
CSM Rapier Hades autocannon, 65pts 36" str8 heavy4 pinning

Each taking a heavy slot in a CaD, but can have up to 3 guns per unit. 9 guns in a single CaD. 540pts 36 str8 shots at 36" hiding in cover T7 2W 3+.

I recently came up against Chaos Marines fielding loads of Rapiers with Hades Autocannons. I know they aren't as cheap as the Hornets but are much tougher to suppress. 4 strength 8 shots per gun, 3 guns per squadron. 2 or 3 of those units will dish out plenty of strength 8.

Dark Eldar? I think I can do around 47 darklight shots in a single detachment for under 1850.

Ork kannons 18pts each and have a str8 ap3 shell.

I think Corsairs win this one.

All the Cloud Dancer jet bikes can be given Dark Lances, the characters can all take Blast Pistols or Fusion Pistols.

Reaver Troop squads can have 2 per 5 of any special weapons (Fusion or Blasters), Ghostwalkers (Rangers) can have 1 per 5 of special weapons, Voidstorm has 1 per 5 for special weapons.

Wasps, Falcons and Vypers can all take Bright Lances, Dark Lances or EML. Nightwings have Brightlances as standard whilst the Phoenix can take a Pulse Laser. Hornets can have 2 Pulse Lasers for 5pts each (way too cheap).

Balestrikes can all take a Dark Lance or EML each, I like to run 10 jet pack guys with 10 Dark Lances.

If I wanted to I could probably run an army equipped with nothing but Dark Lances or Blast Pistols.


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 Jimsolo wrote:
Dark Eldar? I think I can do around 47 darklight shots in a single detachment for under 1850.

If thats the case then I think DE do win that, for Corsairs I just came up with this list:

CAD- 1850

HQ
Prince- Jet Pack, Shimmershield, Blast Pistol- 115pts
Baron- Jet Pack, SHimmershield, Blast Pistol, Wild Psyker- 85pts

Troops
5X Cloud Dancers (5 Bikes with Dark Lances)- 200pts per unit

Heavy Support
3X Bale Strike Bands (5 Reavers, Jet Packs, Dark Lances)- 150pts per unit.

47 S8, AP2, Lance shots, 45 of which have 36" range, for exactly 1850pts.

Glitcha wrote:Ork kannons 18pts each and have a str8 ap3 shell.

One shot each hitting on 4s. No thanks.

harrybo wrote:I recently came up against Chaos Marines fielding loads of Rapiers with Hades Autocannons. I know they aren't as cheap as the Hornets but are much tougher to suppress. 4 strength 8 shots per gun, 3 guns per squadron. 2 or 3 of those units will dish out plenty of strength 8.

Actually, the Hades Rapier is 15pts less per.

Just spamming purge coteirie's for Dark Eldar can get you a lot of S8
Archon w/blaster
blasterborne
raider w/dark lance
reavers w/blaster
308 points

repeat as wanted

Corsairs can easily do 73 S8 shots at 1730 points.

Prince HQ
2x3 jetbikes with dark lances
3x5 Hornets with Pulse Lasers
9 balestrike bands with dark lances

Codex marines can field whole armies with nothing but S8 firepower.

Terminators, either tactical ones or TH/SS, are S8 in CC. The tactical guys can take CMLs for S8 shooting. Can be spammed in the 1st company TF. Vanguard Vets can also be tricked out with all S8 CC weapons.

The Raptorwing formations is made up of land speeders and stormtalons. Speeders can be run as TML/MM, and the talons can take TMLs as well. There are the nose mounted TLAsCs on the talons, that are only S6.

Bike squads can spam meltaguns. The sarge will only get one shot with his combi, but if you want to keep him in the S8 club, he can take a powerfist. With an appropriate HQ, they can be troops, so you can use a CAD instead of formations.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
I want as many str8 from any detachments or even CAD. Preferably on GEq (3pt models)

The only thing coming to mind is msu scouts with a ml. Or long fangs with ml.

I dont care about ap3 too much. I also dont care about blasts.

Sisters of Battle Dominion squads can have upto 4 Melta guns in a 5 woman squad - Scouting and with a Ignore Cover Act of Faith. FA choice (also can be in a scouting Immolator with TL Multi Melta for extra S8, AP1 goodness)

Normal 5 woman Sister squads can also have 2 Melta guns with Prefered enemy Act fo Faith and can also take non scouting Immolators with the Tl Mulit Meltas .

Can then add in HQ units with Combi Meltas.

Sisters like Melta's

Don't forget the Exorcists with S8 Heavy d6. The small Dominion squads with 4x melta, plus combi, plus an Immolator w/multi-melta are 175 each. Exorcists are 125 each. Battle Sisters with double melta + combi and Immolator are 150. Depending on how you roll, that's 40-ish shots for 1260 points.

Definitrly orks- we have en entire unit dedicated to it. Get a single squad of 15 tankbustas, but them in a battlewagon with 4 rockets and a killcannon, that's 20 S8 shots for like 300 points, and you can take 3 if these per CAD.

Then we have deffkotpas, where a squad of 5 will give you 5 tl s8 shots for 150 points, and you can take 3 per CAD.

Finally, 1 per 10 boyz in a squad can take a rocket, so thats 3 more shots for about 200 points if you really wanna squeeze

So in a single CAD, when not accounting for characters, we can get 9 from troops, 15 from fast attack, and a whopping 60 from heavy support and elites, clocking in at 84 S8 shots for around 1850 points, or just 1250 if you shave off the troops. I'd say 75 s8 shots a turn is pretty good for around 1250.

Thank you everyone for your suggestions!

at the end of the day, why are these armies that spam the most str8 not common?

Is there something wrong with bucket loads of str8 as a strategy?

Is str8 not that good?

What makes a good competitive army with as many str8 shots?

Can the Hornet Detachment win on raw firepower alone? (flyers start in reserves so you need stuff on board turn 1...)

Why are Dark Eldars Corsairs not seen in tournaments?

Dunno. For my ork strategy it's the model count combined with low accuracy. For the 1250 one you need a total of 3 tanks, 45 infantry, and 15 jetbikes. Plus, with orks, even with 75 shots, only 30 or so (when accounting for TL) will hit.

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
Thank you everyone for your suggestions!

at the end of the day, why are these armies that spam the most str8 not common?

Is there something wrong with bucket loads of str8 as a strategy?

Is str8 not that good?

What makes a good competitive army with as many str8 shots?

Can the Hornet Detachment win on raw firepower alone? (flyers start in reserves so you need stuff on board turn 1...)

Why are Dark Eldars Corsairs not seen in tournaments?

S8 isn't inherently particularly good,
AP3 bounces of 2+ armor saves
Against T4 1w models it's equal to S6 which is cheaper to spam
Against T5 it's equal to S7, which is again cheaper
Against AV14 it can only glance on sixes

The problem with S8 is a lack of quantity, you might bypass Armor and/or fnp, but between cover saves and less shots, you aren't doing as much damage.

This isn't including the problems with platforms, or range. A lot of the units mentioned aren't durable enough to be alone on the field. If you spam AV11, it'll die to a stiff breeze or have to jink, spam Rapiers, and you aren't going to get many maelstrom, spam Devs and you still only need to kill 3+ sv marines.

 CadianGateTroll wrote:

Can the Hornet Detachment win on raw firepower alone? (flyers start in reserves so you need stuff on board turn 1...)

I'm not sure if you are implying that Hornets are flyers, but they aren't. They can start on the board if they want to.

Str8 spam is good, but tends to not be as good as a mix of str6 spam mix with a few Str8+ weapons. You can better specialize that way.
Str6 spam takes out light infantry and light vehicles, while the dedicated anti-tank stuff does it's thing.

Side note, Corsairs can take a unit with 20 S8 shots for 530 pts.

On topic, though: S8 is a great generalist weapon, and while generalist weapons can do cleanup work against everything, they don't excel against anything. A list with no inherent oppositional excellence is going to have hard times.

If I WERE going to do S8 spam, it'd be multiple Aspect Shrines of Fire Dragons.