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I've started playing a Guard army and I've been wondering about using modern tanks as stand-ins for Russes and Chimeras. In particular, I'm looking at the Abrams and M113s from Flames of War's Team Yankee line for Russes and Chimeras, respectively. Before I buy any models, does anyone happen to know if those models are the right size to match?
Not even in shouting distance, sadly. Warhammer is messy with scale, but is roughly 1/56 for vehicles IIRC. Team Yankee (like all flames of war products) is 1/100. Most of their tanks will be about 50mm long. That said, 1/56 or 1/48 scale versions of those tanks have promise, though IIRC most times I've heard it discussed on forums, people find they're too short vertically, and too long lengthwise.
Yeah...nope. Flames of War models are 1/100 or 15mm scale, meaning a tank is about 2-3" in length and would maybe come up to a guardsman's waist. Completely incompatible. As mentioned you'll want to look for 1/48-esque scale models for alternatives.
There was a guy on Warseer who had come up with a kit that was very Abrams based, but scaled for 40K including the gun and such.. but I haven't a clue if there's a way to find that with warseer down...
For certain tanks I found 1:48 too small. A while back I was tasked with making a specific conversion for a chimera with features of a WW2 Panzer. Started with a 1:48 and had to immediately set it aside for a 1:35.
With larger tanks, though, 1:35 is a bit too large. Did a build of a 1:35 sherman and it matches height wise a Russ but is about half again the length.
In short, there isn't going to be a perfect option.
Attached what I got from a 1:35 panzer and chimera. Almost a match length ways, the tank was just quite a bit lower
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It just depends on the tank. I think 1/35 is probably the most "realistic" as far as infantry models looking like they could actually fit inside the vehicles, but 40k isn't realistic, it's a weird chibi-scale where vehicles are probably the correct height and width but way too short and turrets are way too small.
Your best best is probably just google the specific tank you're interested in to get the real-life dimensions and divide by 1/35 or 1/48 to see what it'll come out as in model-dimensions and see if that compares well with what you're trying to emulate in 40k.
I agree with this. The only counterpoint I would make is that many late WWII tanks are a bit on the large side, especially the Soviet and German heavies. 1/48 would probably be better in that case, for a Leman Russ substitute.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: The other funny thing is GW tanks are proportionately wider than real world ones.
Real tanks tend to have the dimensions of a van or bus since they have to fit on roads, bridges and tunnels. GW fictional tanks can be wider.
I don't think 40k vehicles are wide so much as they are shortened.
A Sherman or a Panzer IV is significantly wider than your average road vehicle, the maximum width for a heavy vehicle here in Australia is 2.5m, wide cars are probably around the 1.9m range. A Sherman is 2.6m wide, a Panzer IV is 2.9m wide, a Tiger 1 is 3.6m and a Tiger 2 is 3.8m.
So real tanks are all pretty wide as well, it's just 40k tanks are comically short. Real tanks actually have to fit stuff inside them like engines, gearboxes, ammunition, people To fit that stuff in it's usually more practical to make the vehicle longer than making it wider.
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Kid_Kyoto, thanks for that link. The third entry was something that peaked my interest. While I would prefer an Abrams, I mostly just like the long flat hulls that modern tanks have instead of the boxier ones that Leman Russes have.
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PossumCraft wrote: Didn't participate in the war because it met with the one thing that can defeat it; a turn in the road.
Yep, I don't remember much about it but they only had a dozen or so. Interesting though it had a submarine style engine set-up with a walkway on each side and half of the crew were engineers who walked up and down the motor(s?) and worked on them while it was driving. It was a huge dinosaur developed after WW1 and while freakin' huge was never really involved. Each was named for a different city or precinct in France I think. Cool freakin' tank. I might pick one up and kit-bash it for my nephew.
If you're looking for some of the more obscure designs from the world wars, you might look up Takom. They've gotten into the niche of working on the oddballs out there.
Try a site like Luckymodel.com - I've dealt with them before, and the service is good.
Kid_Kyoto, thanks for that link. The third entry was something that peaked my interest. While I would prefer an Abrams, I mostly just like the long flat hulls that modern tanks instead of the boxier ones that Leman Russes have.
If that is your flavor, then maybe this new release from Tamiya will interest you.
Kid_Kyoto, thanks for that link. The third entry was something that peaked my interest. While I would prefer an Abrams, I mostly just like the long flat hulls that modern tanks have instead of the boxier ones that Leman Russes have.
If that is your flavor, then maybe this new release from Tamiya will interest you.
That's a really good looking kit! Though, if my conversions are right, which they might not be, it seems to be about 3 inches longer than a Leman Russ. Would that be considered close enough, or should I keep looking for something closer in size?
Kid_Kyoto, thanks for that link. The third entry was something that peaked my interest. While I would prefer an Abrams, I mostly just like the long flat hulls that modern tanks have instead of the boxier ones that Leman Russes have.
If that is your flavor, then maybe this new release from Tamiya will interest you.
That's a really good looking kit! Though, if my conversions are right, which they might not be, it seems to be about 3 inches longer than a Leman Russ. Would that be considered close enough, or should I keep looking for something closer in size?
Probably as close that you are going to get with a modern MBT kit. To get a better idea about the size, here is a quick build vid on Youtube:
Kid_Kyoto, thanks for that link. The third entry was something that peaked my interest. While I would prefer an Abrams, I mostly just like the long flat hulls that modern tanks have instead of the boxier ones that Leman Russes have.
If that is your flavor, then maybe this new release from Tamiya will interest you.
That's a really good looking kit! Though, if my conversions are right, which they might not be, it seems to be about 3 inches longer than a Leman Russ. Would that be considered close enough, or should I keep looking for something closer in size?
Probably as close that you are going to get with a modern MBT kit. To get a better idea about the size, here is a quick build vid on Youtube:
Thanks, but I was more asking about if most people would be okay with me using one of these instead of an actual Russ.
Kid_Kyoto, thanks for that link. The third entry was something that peaked my interest. While I would prefer an Abrams, I mostly just like the long flat hulls that modern tanks have instead of the boxier ones that Leman Russes have.
If that is your flavor, then maybe this new release from Tamiya will interest you.
That's a really good looking kit! Though, if my conversions are right, which they might not be, it seems to be about 3 inches longer than a Leman Russ. Would that be considered close enough, or should I keep looking for something closer in size?
Probably as close that you are going to get with a modern MBT kit. To get a better idea about the size, here is a quick build vid on Youtube:
Thanks, but I was more asking about if most people would be okay with me using one of these instead of an actual Russ.
As long as it's not at a GW brick n' mortar, or at a tourney, I don't see why most people would object. Plenty of folks use "counts as" nowadays, especially with the costs of GW and Forge World models.
Unless you run into somebody who is paranoid about "modeling for advantage", or is anal about WYSIWYG. Then that's their problem.
But plenty of folks would be okay with it. I know I would if I was playing against you.
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Kid_Kyoto, thanks for that link. The third entry was something that peaked my interest. While I would prefer an Abrams, I mostly just like the long flat hulls that modern tanks have instead of the boxier ones that Leman Russes have.
If that is your flavor, then maybe this new release from Tamiya will interest you.
That's a really good looking kit! Though, if my conversions are right, which they might not be, it seems to be about 3 inches longer than a Leman Russ. Would that be considered close enough, or should I keep looking for something closer in size?
Probably as close that you are going to get with a modern MBT kit. To get a better idea about the size, here is a quick build vid on Youtube:
Thanks, but I was more asking about if most people would be okay with me using one of these instead of an actual Russ.
As long as it's not at a GW brick n' mortar, or at a tourney, I don't see why most people would object. Plenty of folks use "counts as" nowadays, especially with the costs of GW and Forge World models.
Yeah, I do plan on having a few actual Leman Russes if I ever decide to get into tournaments, but I don't have those sorts of intentions yet. So now that I have a solid candidate for my tank, I just need to find APC and Artillery models that I like. Thanks for pointing me to the Type 10.
Kid_Kyoto, thanks for that link. The third entry was something that peaked my interest. While I would prefer an Abrams, I mostly just like the long flat hulls that modern tanks have instead of the boxier ones that Leman Russes have.
If that is your flavor, then maybe this new release from Tamiya will interest you.
That's a really good looking kit! Though, if my conversions are right, which they might not be, it seems to be about 3 inches longer than a Leman Russ. Would that be considered close enough, or should I keep looking for something closer in size?
Probably as close that you are going to get with a modern MBT kit. To get a better idea about the size, here is a quick build vid on Youtube:
Thanks, but I was more asking about if most people would be okay with me using one of these instead of an actual Russ.
As long as it's not at a GW brick n' mortar, or at a tourney, I don't see why most people would object. Plenty of folks use "counts as" nowadays, especially with the costs of GW and Forge World models.
Yeah, I do plan on having a few actual Leman Russes if I ever decide to get into tournaments, but I don't have those sorts of intentions yet. So now that I have a solid candidate for my tank, I just need to find APC and Artillery models that I like. Thanks for pointing me to the Type 10.
Glad to help.
If you can use an IFV instead of an old fashioned APC, there is this in 1/48:
Kid_Kyoto, thanks for that link. The third entry was something that peaked my interest. While I would prefer an Abrams, I mostly just like the long flat hulls that modern tanks have instead of the boxier ones that Leman Russes have.
If that is your flavor, then maybe this new release from Tamiya will interest you.
That's a really good looking kit! Though, if my conversions are right, which they might not be, it seems to be about 3 inches longer than a Leman Russ. Would that be considered close enough, or should I keep looking for something closer in size?
Probably as close that you are going to get with a modern MBT kit. To get a better idea about the size, here is a quick build vid on Youtube:
Thanks, but I was more asking about if most people would be okay with me using one of these instead of an actual Russ.
As long as it's not at a GW brick n' mortar, or at a tourney, I don't see why most people would object. Plenty of folks use "counts as" nowadays, especially with the costs of GW and Forge World models.
Yeah, I do plan on having a few actual Leman Russes if I ever decide to get into tournaments, but I don't have those sorts of intentions yet. So now that I have a solid candidate for my tank, I just need to find APC and Artillery models that I like. Thanks for pointing me to the Type 10.
Glad to help.
If you can use an IFV instead of an old fashioned APC, there is this in 1/48:
To fit that stuff in it's usually more practical to make the vehicle longer than making it wider.
