Another day another spree shooting. Mall in Houston , Texas.

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**Orlanth**

Breaking news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37469757

Several people have been wounded in a shooting at a shopping centre at Houston in the US state of Texas, reports say.
Local media report that the police shot the suspect, but nearby residents were asked to avoid the area.
Police say they do not believe any other people are involved in the shooting.
This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly. Please refresh the page for the fullest version.

**Alpharius**

And what are your thoughts on the matter?

**tneva82**

And surprised people are...where?

**redleger**

Well, this is unfortunate.
Whats weird is there could be proof this dude was a radical muslim, and no one would care because USA and guns.

**jreilly89**

redleger wrote:
Well, this is unfortunate.
Whats weird is there could be proof this dude was a radical muslim, and no one would care because USA and guns.

Not sure what this comment is supposed to add? If they do find evidence he's a radical Muslim, then it's concerning that these attacks are becoming more frequent. However, the news mentions nothing about the skin color of the subject or his race, so why bring it up? He could be just another run of the mill crazy.

OT, this is tragic, but not surprising. America has a massive mental health problem disguised as a gun problem.

**Frazzled**

Heard on NPR but didn't take notice. This is Houston. Multiple shootings aren't a big deal. It just happened to happen at a mall right after the one in Seattle.

Was in a bit of a wealthier area. Thats a bit unusual.

**Goliath**

redleger wrote:
Well, this is unfortunate.
Whats weird is there could be proof this dude was a radical muslim, and no one would care because USA and guns.

See, before you get proof you need evidence, and there isn't any thus far. Besides, if you have a consistent problem with spree shootings then it seems odd to immediately go "Well it must 100% be islam, you're obviously protecting islam to demonise guns!"

**redleger**

jreilly89 wrote:
redleger wrote:
Well, this is unfortunate.
Whats weird is there could be proof this dude was a radical muslim, and no one would care because USA and guns.

Not sure what this comment is supposed to add? If they do find evidence he's a radical Muslim, then it's concerning that these attacks are becoming more frequent. However, the news mentions nothing about the skin color of the subject or his race, so why bring it up? He could be just another run of the mill crazy.

OT, this is tragic, but not surprising. America has a massive mental health problem disguised as a gun problem.

The only reason I bring it up is because of the shooting in WA. Even after nationality was proven, it was still swept under the rug as standard gun violence. Listen, these events suck. To think at any second my daughters and I could be out doing our thing then bam, some dude starts shooting is scary. But what's scarier is denial. Its like the Alcoholic who says he has no problem. everyone around him suffers, but his significant other keeps enabling him. Well in this case radical Islam is the alcoholic and government is the enabling abused girlfriend. The nation keeps being told its not a problem, but more and more its starting to look like its no longer weekend drinking, but every day drinking.

**jreilly89**

redleger wrote:
jreilly89 wrote:
redleger wrote:
Well, this is unfortunate.
Whats weird is there could be proof this dude was a radical muslim, and no one would care because USA and guns.

Not sure what this comment is supposed to add? If they do find evidence he's a radical Muslim, then it's concerning that these attacks are becoming more frequent. However, the news mentions nothing about the skin color of the subject or his race, so why bring it up? He could be just another run of the mill crazy.

OT, this is tragic, but not surprising. America has a massive mental health problem disguised as a gun problem.

The only reason I bring it up is because of the shooting in WA. Even after nationality was proven, it was still swept under the rug as standard gun violence. Listen, these events suck. To think at any second my daughters and I could be out doing our thing then bam, some dude starts shooting is scary. But what's scarier is denial. Its like the Alcoholic who says he has no problem. everyone around him suffers, but his significant other keeps enabling him. Well in this case radical Islam is the alcoholic and government is the enabling abused girlfriend. The nation keeps being told its not a problem, but more and more its starting to look like its no longer weekend drinking, but every day drinking.

That's a bit of a stretch. I can think of several that weren't Islam, just plain old mental health/gun violence. Is it actually a problem with Islam, or is it just easier to paint crazies as "radical Muslims"?

Besides, your daughters can get shot anywhere. Could be a gangbanger, crazy ex, whatever. Doesn't have to be a crazy Muslim out to get them.

**CptJake**

Sounds like the perp in this case died of wounds.

**redleger**

jreilly89 wrote:
redleger wrote:
jreilly89 wrote:
redleger wrote:
Well, this is unfortunate.
Whats weird is there could be proof this dude was a radical muslim, and no one would care because USA and guns.

Not sure what this comment is supposed to add? If they do find evidence he's a radical Muslim, then it's concerning that these attacks are becoming more frequent. However, the news mentions nothing about the skin color of the subject or his race, so why bring it up? He could be just another run of the mill crazy.

OT, this is tragic, but not surprising. America has a massive mental health problem disguised as a gun problem.

The only reason I bring it up is because of the shooting in WA. Even after nationality was proven, it was still swept under the rug as standard gun violence. Listen, these events suck. To think at any second my daughters and I could be out doing our thing then bam, some dude starts shooting is scary. But what's scarier is denial. Its like the Alcoholic who says he has no problem. everyone around him suffers, but his significant other keeps enabling him. Well in this case radical Islam is the alcoholic and government is the enabling abused girlfriend. The nation keeps being told its not a problem, but more and more its starting to look like its no longer weekend drinking, but every day drinking.

That's a bit of a stretch. I can think of several that weren't Islam, just plain old mental health/gun violence. Is it actually a problem with Islam, or is it just easier to paint crazies as "radical Muslims"?

Besides, your daughters can get shot anywhere. Could be a gangbanger, crazy ex, whatever. Doesn't have to be a crazy Muslim out to get them.

I understand we can all be blanked out in an instant from any number of things, in that regard I was not referring to radical islam, but to the fact that it is a possibility, even though statistically remote. It was actually 2 separate thoughts, which I failed to display well.

This very well may be just some random crazy dude. I am from Texas, and I know for a fact there is a large number of them in our big cities for some reason. What I was eluding to is the thought process that for some reason, many look right at the "duck" see it quacking and waddling, yet insist that it is not a duck.

**tneva82**

jreilly89 wrote:
That's a bit of a stretch. I can think of several that weren't Islam, just plain old mental health/gun violence. Is it actually a problem with Islam, or is it just easier to paint crazies as "radical Muslims"?

Besides, your daughters can get shot anywhere. Could be a gangbanger, crazy ex, whatever. Doesn't have to be a crazy Muslim out to get them.

Yeah not like there's not any whites shooting(probably lots that simply don't get mentioned because it's not news enough to make money from...). Should we start calling americans as a problem because there's americans shooting people? Should we call Finns school shooters because there's been school shootings in Finland?

One does not need islam for problems. People are quick to blame islamist refugees for everything...Well let's see. In Finland people are complaining about crimes etc that come but statistics actually say that refugees are giving LESS work for police per 1000 person than locals. Give me 1000 random finn and 1000 random refugee and most cases police will be on ones without refugee involved. Either as the one causing the trouble or the one being victim...

It's easy to blame different people for problems. Harder to fix the real problem.

**Ahtman**

Frazzled wrote:
Multiple shootings aren't a big deal.

It probably should be.

**kronk**

From the pictures and descriptions, some of the victims were in their cars in the parking lot: https://www.rt.com/usa/360633-shooting-houston-injured-active/

This is more of a shopping center than a mall, I believe. It's been years since I've been in that area.

As Fraz said, this is a rich part of Houston, TX.

**CptJake**

kronk wrote:
From the pictures and descriptions, some of the victims were in their cars in the parking lot: https://www.rt.com/usa/360633-shooting-houston-injured-active/

This is more of a shopping center than a mall, I believe. It's been years since I've been in that area.

As Fraz said, this is a rich part of Houston, TX.

Strip mall, not big indoor mall.

**Frazzled**

Per KHOU:

What we know about the suspect, according to HPD:

He was a resident of a nearby apartment
He was an attorney who recently had issues with his law firm
A bomb squad is looking over his Porsche parked outside on Law Street, where the shooting took place
Other weapons were found in the suspect's vehicle

The wife of a shooting victim spoke with KHOU 11 News and had further insight into the possible mental state of DeSai prior to the shooting.

"What personal problems he has going on in his life, who knows. I do know that there was a confrontation with a roofing company a few weeks ago that he had a problem with and I believe he was waving around his AR, but what set him off at 6:12 this morning, I don't know," said Jennifer Moredo. Watch her full interview here.

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According to Jason Delgado, property manager of the The Oaks complex, there were two incidents reported with the suspect in the past few weeks. Regarding the roofing project that Jennifer Moredo referenced, one of the roofers called police and said he had been threatened by DeSai with a gun. HPD was not able to make an arrest because the gun was not pointed at the roofer.

Most recently, there were maintenance issues at DeSai's unit. Delgado says that DeSai sent threatening emails to a man in the office.

According to Mayor Sylvester Turner, there is no credible remaining threat and that "there does not appear to be any connection to a terrorist act."

**redleger**

Oh Lawyer. That's worse. If he was waiving around an AR-15 how could they not arrest him. I mean if you are on your property, and you pull out your weapon, for no reason other than anger, and start threatening someone, even in Texas it seems like you should be arrested.

**feeder**

Clearly Law School is the problem here. Time to deport the lawyers, gotta Make America Great Again!

**Kilkrazy**

Spree shootings have been going on in the USA for 100 years. The nation is told it's a problem every time it happens, and the NRA say the solution is more guns. Gun ownership is on the decline, though, and correlates to the declining crime rate though whether it is a cause or an effect or unconnected is not clear.

There is a small group of gun "super users" who own many weapons, and are partly responsible for the increasing number of guns in circulation. There is no suggestion that owning a large number of guns pre-disposes you to commit spree killings.

**redleger**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Spree shootings have been going on in the USA for 100 years. The nation is told it's a problem every time it happens, and the NRA say the solution is more guns. Gun ownership is on the decline, though, and correlates to the declining crime rate though whether it is a cause or an effect or unconnected is not clear.

There is a small group of gun "super users" who own many weapons, and are partly responsible for the increasing number of guns in circulation. There is no suggestion that owning a large number of guns pre-disposes you to commit spree killings.

This.

**kronk**

feeder wrote:
Clearly Law School is the problem here. Time to deport the lawyers, gotta Make America Great Again!

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redleger wrote:
Oh Lawyer. That's worse. If he was waiving around an AR-15 how could they not arrest him. I mean if you are on your property, and you pull out your weapon, for no reason other than anger, and start threatening someone, even in Texas it seems like you should be arrested.

Edit: Ah, I missed that:

HPD was not able to make an arrest because the gun was not pointed at the roofer.

Most recently, there were maintenance issues at DeSai's unit. Delgado says that DeSai sent threatening emails to a man in the office.

According to Mayor Sylvester Turner, there is no credible remaining threat and that "there does not appear to be any connection to a terrorist act."

**Frazzled**

To him being a dickbag to a construction crew:
In Texas, carrying long guns has been permitted since it was Mexican territory. However one cannot use said firearm to threaten others. I'm betting: 1) firearm not seen; 2) no evidence outside of witnesses who likely weren't going to do anything as they weren't legal citizens and didn't want to get involved; and 3) cops not wanting to get involved with ranty bloodsucking attorney.

Carrying an AR to yell at a construction crew is (to intentionally use the legal parlance in reference to an attorney) prima facae proof you are a crazy dickbag.

**redleger**

Frazzled wrote:
To him being a dickbag to a construction crew:
In Texas, carrying long guns has been permitted since it was Mexican territory. However one cannot use said firearm to threaten others. I'm betting: 1) firearm not seen; 2) no evidence outside of witnesses who likely weren't going to do anything as they weren't legal citizens and didn't want to get involved; and 3) cops not wanting to get involved with ranty bloodsucking attorney.

Carrying an AR to yell at a construction crew is (to intentionally use the legal parlance in reference to an attorney) prima facae proof you are a crazy dickbag.

Didn't think about immigration status being a factor. But a LEO who is scared of a lawyer just means the LEO isn't doing his job by the book. I have high ranking officers checking my training all the time. Only time I care is when I know I have forgot to do something.

**Frazzled**

I think the internet ate my reply. Now that I think about it, the construction incident may never have been reported to the PoPo.

**Orlanth**

This case is odd, most spree killings are by underachievers, the odd exceptions are mostly political radicals.This guy appears to be neither. He drives a Porshe, has a transferable skill. What set his fuse, financial issues?

**kronk**

Orlanth wrote:
What set his fuse, financial issues?

That and cocaine? He sounds unstable, even without the shooting.

**Frazzled**

Orlanth wrote:
This case is odd, most spree killings are by underachievers, the odd exceptions are mostly political radicals.This guy appears to be neither. He drives a Porshe, has a transferable skill. What set his fuse, financial issues?

His law firm went under in February and the underlying Houston economy has been kicked in the babymaker by the worst energy recession in my memory.

**sirlynchmob**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Spree shootings have been going on in the USA for 100 years. The nation is told it's a problem every time it happens, and the NRA say the solution is more guns. Gun ownership is on the decline, though, and correlates to the declining crime rate though whether it is a cause or an effect or unconnected is not clear.

There is a small group of gun "super users" who own many weapons, and are partly responsible for the increasing number of guns in circulation. There is no suggestion that owning a large number of guns pre-disposes you to commit spree killings.

well there could be, but for some reason neither party wants the CDC to collect any data on spree shootings. It might hurt the gun sales I guess. We do know that gun ownership greatly increases the chances of killing someone living in the household, and that is far more likely than stopping any crime. I wouldn't say wanting to own a gun pre disposes you to commit a spree killing, but they are the weapon of choice for them. And those committing them lately do seem to have multiple guns, so there could be some correlation there.

The crime rate has been declining, but that has been attributed to the removal of lead from gasoline and paint.

Sure spree's have been going on for 100 years, but they are picking up in frequency and becoming a weekly occurrence. They used to skip quite a few years out of those 100.

These stats are known, look them up at your convenience.

**Kilkrazy**

There are a lot more people and guns in the USA than 100 years ago. Draw your own conclusions.

**sirlynchmob**

Kilkrazy wrote:
There are a lot more people and guns in the USA than 100 years ago. Draw your own conclusions.

so you're saying per capita, the number of shootings have remained the same? decreased? that's a interesting idea, do you have any data to support it?