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 Frazzled wrote:
You're probably right. I am thumbnailing. A case of 9mms is about 31 lbs (some of us have been receiving presents in light of the next bullet bubble) and thats 2.5x that plus the bullet weight alone is 2x. Wow.


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 feeder wrote:
I wonder if this loser was a frequent visitor of the many and varied alt-right fora out there, and if their hateful rantings had any influence on his outburst.

Alt-right plants? Sorry rephrase please.

Fora is a nose-in-the-air way of saying forums. Since my forehead is mostly skull, behind which lurks not much brain, I like to use terms that make me appear smarter.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 feeder wrote:
I wonder if this loser was a frequent visitor of the many and varied alt-right fora out there, and if their hateful rantings had any influence on his outburst.

Did any visits to left leaning sites influence Nidal Hassan, Aaron Alexis, Seung-Hui Cho, James Holmes, Amy Bishop, Andrew J. Stack, Jared Loughner, etc. when they committed their heinous acts?


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 Frazzled wrote:
2. Yes, he should be fully and quickly investigated for just such an issue (did others know or aid).

If others offered aid/support on an online forum then that should be easy to trace and track down those responsible.

Actually in Nidal Hassans case, I would say definitely yes. He frequented many radical sites, which is how he was linked up with the Imam that fed him the gak that led to his actions. Still Nidal's fault for his actions, but he was weak minded and easily influenced.
I would say that unless someone was actively seeking to push him into such action, they are not the same. But they could be.

Yes but you're speaking to some of us who aren;t quite down with that bipedal walking thing yet (its just a fad, We'll all be back in the trees soon I tell you!) so you have to be clear more gooder.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 feeder wrote:
I wonder if this loser was a frequent visitor of the many and varied alt-right fora out there, and if their hateful rantings had any influence on his outburst.

Did any visits to left leaning sites influence Nidal Hassan, Aaron Alexis, Seung-Hui Cho, James Holmes, Amy Bishop, Andrew J. Stack, Jared Loughner, etc. when they committed their heinous acts?

What's that got to do with anything?

The same thing you question does.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
The same thing you question does.

How many of those people committed their acts bedecked in iconography of left wing extremists? Maybe they were wearing a Chairman Mao mask?

Wondering whether someone who went and killed a load of people and was also in possession of a load of fascist memorabilia may have been influenced to do so by potentially fascist groups seems like a question which should be asked, lest there is actually a group out there encouraging these kinds of atrocities.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
The same thing you question does.

How many of those people committed their acts bedecked in iconography of left wing extremists? Maybe they were wearing a Chairman Mao mask?

Wondering whether someone who went and killed a load of people and was also in possession of a load of fascist memorabilia may have been influenced to do so by potentially fascist groups seems like a question which should be asked, lest there is actually a group out there encouraging these kinds of atrocities.

There absolutely is a group out there encouraging these kinds of atrocities



The news reports show that he was a military memorabilia collector;
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/26/as-many-as-7-may-be-wounded-in-houston-shooting-report-says.html

The man's apartment was filled with historic and vintage military items "going back to the Civil War," Houston Police Department Captain Dwayne Ready said during a Monday evening news conference.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/us/houston-shooting/

However, Ready would not speculate on whether the Nazi insignia would help establish a motive. He said the emblems may have been collector's items. At the shooter's home, police found vintage military equipment and paraphernalia dating back to the Civil War.

The reports currently support the view that this was an incident of actual work place violence, and no motivation based on hate has yet been established.

I would point out that being a collector does not automaticaly rule out being a neo-nazi (many of them are obsessed with history, being when the "Aryans" had complete control over the world). It does, however point to there being doubt one whether he was one. I guess we'll fin out when the get to his computer.

Hey how, I'm sure that a collector of Islamic art and books would be given the same deferential considerations if he shot up a place.

 d-usa wrote:
Hey how, I'm sure that a collector of Islamic art and books would be given the same deferential considerations if he shot up a place.

Same deferential considerations? They...er killed his ass.

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Hey how, I'm sure that a collector of Islamic art and books would be given the same deferential considerations if he shot up a place.

Same deferential considerations? They...er killed his ass.

People being deferential to the cause of the motivation of the shooting, not the response.

 d-usa wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Hey how, I'm sure that a collector of Islamic art and books would be given the same deferential considerations if he shot up a place.

Same deferential considerations? They...er killed his ass.

People being deferential to the cause of the motivation of the shooting, not the response.

Not seeing anyone being differential here. So far nothing has been noted that I am aware of linking him to foreign or domestic terrorist/extremist groups, but that should be fully invesitgated.

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Hey how, I'm sure that a collector of Islamic art and books would be given the same deferential considerations if he shot up a place.

Same deferential considerations? They...er killed his ass.

People being deferential to the cause of the motivation of the shooting, not the response.

Not seeing anyone being differential here. So far nothing has been noted that I am aware of linking him to foreign or domestic terrorist/extremist groups, but that should be fully invesitgated.

He's saying that anytime the suspect is of Arab descent or has some link to Islam, that's the first that's jumped on, as opposed to mental health/stress/whatever other reasons would cause someone to shoot up a place.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:


The news reports show that he was a military memorabilia collector;
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/26/as-many-as-7-may-be-wounded-in-houston-shooting-report-says.html

The man's apartment was filled with historic and vintage military items "going back to the Civil War," Houston Police Department Captain Dwayne Ready said during a Monday evening news conference.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/us/houston-shooting/

However, Ready would not speculate on whether the Nazi insignia would help establish a motive. He said the emblems may have been collector's items. At the shooter's home, police found vintage military equipment and paraphernalia dating back to the Civil War.

The reports currently support the view that this was an incident of actual work place violence, and no motivation based on hate has yet been established.

Sure, but he chose to wear his Nazi gak to his big temper tantrum event. He's not just some collector.

Just to be clear, there is a definite divide between the Right, and the alt-right. The former is a legit cultural and political persuasion, while the latter is a wretched hive of scum and v̶i̶l̶l̶a̶n̶y̶ life's frustrated failures.

 feeder wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:


The news reports show that he was a military memorabilia collector;
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/26/as-many-as-7-may-be-wounded-in-houston-shooting-report-says.html

The man's apartment was filled with historic and vintage military items "going back to the Civil War," Houston Police Department Captain Dwayne Ready said during a Monday evening news conference.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/us/houston-shooting/

However, Ready would not speculate on whether the Nazi insignia would help establish a motive. He said the emblems may have been collector's items. At the shooter's home, police found vintage military equipment and paraphernalia dating back to the Civil War.

The reports currently support the view that this was an incident of actual work place violence, and no motivation based on hate has yet been established.

Sure, but he chose to wear his Nazi gak to his big temper tantrum event. He's not just some collector.

Just to be clear, there is a definite divide between the Right, and the alt-right. The former is a legit cultural and political persuasion, while the latter is a wretched hive of scum and v̶i̶l̶l̶a̶n̶y̶ life's frustrated failures.

Assuming its Nazi and not East German then that would be an indicator of Nazi leanings. I don't know about alt.right stuff but militia guys and the infamous Klan would not be additionally indicated. This does not mean he wasn't a racist and one of either of those too (I think the East Coast terrorist was who executed all the people at the church no?)

I have no problem calling him a terrorist if evidence is shown of Nazi sympathies.

Subject is indeed appropriate. Another day, another shooting. This time 14yo got nuts in south carolina.

Colour me surprised...Not.

 redleger wrote:
Well, this is unfortunate.
Whats weird is there could be proof this dude was a radical muslim, and no one would care because USA and guns.

Who cares if he was a 'radical Muslim' he still injured and/or killed a lot of people! Race should never be the first thing mentioned in an argument regarding anything at all!

 WarbossGubbinz wrote:

 redleger wrote:
Well, this is unfortunate.
Whats weird is there could be proof this dude was a radical muslim, and no one would care because USA and guns.

Who cares if he was a 'radical Muslim' he still injured and/or killed a lot of people! Race should never be the first thing mentioned in an argument regarding anything at all!

Good thing Islam isn't a race then

Good thing he just turned out to be your average crazy lawyer then huh, then no one has to have hurt feelings. You know except the families of, and the victims themselves.