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If I take Goliaths with the acolyte hybrids as a dedicated transport does the cult ambush apply to the goliaths if I stick the acolytes in them as well or will they have to start from my side?

Cult Ambush only affects units that are not embarked in vehicles, so no.

cult ambush specifically states that models in a transport can't cult ambush

I know it states that but Subterranean states that models must deploy via cult ambush

optrgrow wrote:
I know it states that but Subterranean states that models must deploy via cult ambush

Well, if they can't deploy via cult ambush when in a vehicle AND must deploy via cult ambush... then it sounds like you can't deploy in your dedicated transports. Remember that deploying in a dedicated transport is optional. Sometimes you have a rule that prevents it. Deploying the transport on the board and the models via cult ambush separately is always an option.

Full disclosure... I haven't read the rules. Basing this off your comments.

Are you using Subterranean uprising? Yes it grant all unit in this formations infiltrate. And must infiltrate at start of the game.

Until there are restrict in vehicle then you can. Just like scout sentinels.

This is the rule I am referencing;

Time to Rise Up: All the units in a Subterranean Uprising must Infiltrate during deployment, and set up using the Cult Ambush special rule.

For one of the units (acolyte hybrids) can take a dedicated transport - the goliath.

Basically RAW is stating that even though a vehicle can never benefit from cult, this formation forces it to benefit from cult? Does a codex override a codex?

Cult Ambush states, "Units cannot use the Cult Ambush special rule whilst they are embarked in a vehicle."

This means that units in a Subterranean Uprising cannot begin the game embarked in a vehicle.

Interestingly though the Goliaths would be required to, "Infiltrate during deployment, and set up using the Cult Ambush special rule." Even though they do not have the Cult Ambush special rule, similar to Drop Pods deploying via Deep Strike without having the Deep Strike special rule.

optrgrow wrote:
Basically RAW is stating that even though a vehicle can never benefit from cult, this formation forces it to benefit from cult? Does a codex override a codex?

The rule is saying that units embarked upon a vehicle may not use the Cult Ambush special rule. The formation is saying all units must, and for all units to do so without breaking the Cult Ambush special rule none of them can be embarked in a vehicle.

Nothing prevents the Goliaths themselves using the rule if required to do so.

Formations do have infiltrate special rule but there are no Cult ambush special rule.

I would say that transport gain a infiltrate. But no Ambush

 Mr. Shine wrote:
Cult Ambush states, "Units cannot use the Cult Ambush special rule whilst they are embarked in a vehicle."

This means that units in a Subterranean Uprising cannot begin the game embarked in a vehicle.

Interestingly though the Goliaths would be required to, "Infiltrate during deployment, and set up using the Cult Ambush special rule." Even though they do not have the Cult Ambush special rule, similar to Drop Pods deploying via Deep Strike without having the Deep Strike special rule.

optrgrow wrote:
Basically RAW is stating that even though a vehicle can never benefit from cult, this formation forces it to benefit from cult? Does a codex override a codex?

The rule is saying that units embarked upon a vehicle may not use the Cult Ambush special rule. The formation is saying all units must, and for all units to do so without breaking the Cult Ambush special rule none of them can be embarked in a vehicle.

Nothing prevents the Goliaths themselves using the rule if required to do so.

So you're saying I can take the vehicle as a dedicated transport and as long as I don't put the guys in it and just keep them "as a unit" the models will benefit and the vehicle can be deployed via cult ambush?

My only sticking point is that for the formation it states that all units must deploy with cult ambush so the vehicle itself wouldn't benefit but the models inside would? Sorry this one came up in a game and we're trying to iron out the specifics.

optrgrow wrote:

 Mr. Shine wrote:
Cult Ambush states, "Units cannot use the Cult Ambush special rule whilst they are embarked in a vehicle."

This means that units in a Subterranean Uprising cannot begin the game embarked in a vehicle.

Interestingly though the Goliaths would be required to, "Infiltrate during deployment, and set up using the Cult Ambush special rule." Even though they do not have the Cult Ambush special rule, similar to Drop Pods deploying via Deep Strike without having the Deep Strike special rule.

optrgrow wrote:
Basically RAW is stating that even though a vehicle can never benefit from cult, this formation forces it to benefit from cult? Does a codex override a codex?

The rule is saying that units embarked upon a vehicle may not use the Cult Ambush special rule. The formation is saying all units must, and for all units to do so without breaking the Cult Ambush special rule none of them can be embarked in a vehicle.

Nothing prevents the Goliaths themselves using the rule if required to do so.

So you're saying I can take the vehicle as a dedicated transport and as long as I don't put the guys in it and just keep them "as a unit" the models will benefit and the vehicle can be deployed via cult ambush?

My only sticking point is that for the formation it states that all units must deploy with cult ambush so the vehicle itself wouldn't benefit but the models inside would? Sorry this one came up in a game and we're trying to iron out the specifics.

RAW they can't be deployed in the vehicle.
Personally I would even go so far as to say that units in the formation can't take transports, seeing how the transport don't have cult ambush and as such can't be deployed using cult ambush, but seeing how there is a conflict, it needs to be faq'ed

optrgrow wrote:
So you're saying I can take the vehicle as a dedicated transport and as long as I don't put the guys in it and just keep them "as a unit" the models will benefit and the vehicle can be deployed via cult ambush?

My only sticking point is that for the formation it states that all units must deploy with cult ambush so the vehicle itself wouldn't benefit but the models inside would? Sorry this one came up in a game and we're trying to iron out the specifics.