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2016/11/11 21:55:56
Subject: How would a normal human being kill a Space Marine?
jmurph wrote: So in this scenario a bio-engineered supersoldier with advanced infantry power armor and weaponry has entered a modern civilian area and has noticed, and is now pursuing, and individual.
In that fiction, thoughts of "shoot him" guarantee death. You are going one on one with a superior force that is specifically outfitted for direct conflict. Tactical failure.
Fleeing is probably the only viable option. Unconventional force may work. The car ramming, deploying to inaccessible areas, etc. *may* work. However, they may just get you dead. With superhuman reflexes, the SM may just step out of the roadway and shoot you as you drive, etc. Realistically, if the SM has noticed the target, any potential advantage is gone and it's now a question of possible survival, not victory.
However, given this would be a highly unusual fictional scenario, perhaps the targeted individual is targeted for a reason. Maybe they are a latent psyker, can act as a daemonhost, or the SM desires to capture, not slay, the target.
Unlike a modern human, a 40k Space Marine is mentally deficient. Child-like IQ, at best. Dumb as rocks. Plus, stat-wise, they are slow as molasses. Their weapons have pitiful range, like early blackpowder. If the SM is not right on top of you, he is easily outrun, and outmaneuvered. Modern weapons have vastly higher ROF and range. That SM will NEVER get close enough to an alert person to present any threat. For all intents and purposes, a SM is a zombie walker with a somewhat larger threat radius.
2016/11/14 19:54:33
Subject: How would a normal human being kill a Space Marine?
sfshilo wrote: All Americans in this thread: "Shoot it a bunch".
Everyone else: Role playing or table top super high fidelity analysis that makes it seem impossible.
And the Finns... If it's the Red Stars Chapter, auto-lose for the SMs!
2016/11/15 19:13:04
Subject: How would a normal human being kill a Space Marine?
My headcanon is that Astartes would fare rather well against modern forces, because anything big and punchy enough to be useful is impractical against such a relatively small target
I've personally put 3 120mm sabot rounds into a target at 1800 meters, and you could cover all three holes with a kevlar helmet.
And I've put a 120mm HEAT round into a target MUCH smaller than a standing man at about the same range.
Walking around the modern battlefield in bright colors and standing 8 feet tall wouldn't be too healthy.
What about the back banners? You can sight them in even easier when their banner is 3 feet wide and adds another 5 feet to the height!
And he's unhelmeted!
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2016/11/16 17:09:43
Subject: How would a normal human being kill a Space Marine?
If you've got enough other shooters firing Stub, no question he'll drop. Even at BS3 S2 AP- Sv3+, 18 shots, and he's down. Less if anybody has S3+ long guns or S4+ hunting rifles.
2016/11/18 18:13:12
Subject: How would a normal human being kill a Space Marine?
JohnHwangDD wrote: A Shotgun is S4. Lots of Americans have 12ga shotguns. And it's not like they can't get slugs for them.
Given that a Space Marine shotgun (the ones that are actually S4) is also about the same calibre as a boltgun (guess based on the models) and that's closer to a 36-gauge than a 12-gauge I expect these S4 shotguns are rifled and have a lot more propellant in them than than a real shotgun.
Wut? You should realize that the larger the number, the smaller the bore of the weapon. Like a 10 gauge is much larger than a 20 gauge. It's based upon the size of the bore if a single round ball was that size and how many it would take to add up to a pound.
Was working on old figures, I'd always quoted the boltgun as .50-caliber (at which point the closest thing on Wikipedia's table of equivalencies is a 36-gauge shotgun) but I double-checked and found that it's actually .75-caliber, at which point the .73-inch diameter of the 12-gauge is the closest real life equivalent.
So I suppose you're right, but for the wrong reason?
No, he's 100% right. That is exactly how shotgun calibers are defined. A 12 ga shotgun has a larger barrel diameter than a 16 ga, which is larger than a 20 ga.
Where you're talking about a "36-gauge", I think you've gone off the rails. As far as I know, there's no such thing as a 36-gauge shotgun.
2016/11/21 06:59:43
Subject: Re:How would a normal human being kill a Space Marine?
