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What would the people of Dakka think of combining armies in 40k into Grand Alliances like in AOS? It would be something like Armies of the Imperium, Armies of Chaos, etc, etc.

It basically already kind of exists with the Ally system. The big issue is that the non-Eldar Xenos races don't really combine in a meaningful way. I'd personally love to see the Imperium/Chaos/Eldar all consolidated though. Just not sure where to put Nids, Tau and Necrons.

They'd be either rewriting masses of fluff (making Ulthuan the Perverse get widespread acceptance to let Eldar/Orks ally, for instance) or squatting a big chunk of xeno Codexes to reduce it to four. And if they're not trying to reduce it the Ally system has already given us three large multi-book alliances (Imperium, Chaos, Eldar) and they'd need to get a serious move on to expand Tyranids, Orks, Tau, and Necrons into anywhere near that scale.

Even if it causes balance problems, I never had fluff problems with a "whole empire" faction. Is what is supposed to be.

You filthy heretic.

They'd be either rewriting masses of fluff (making Ulthuan the Perverse get widespread acceptance to let Eldar/Orks ally, for instance) or squatting a big chunk of xeno Codexes to reduce it to four. And if they're not trying to reduce it the Ally system has already given us three large multi-book alliances (Imperium, Chaos, Eldar) and they'd need to get a serious move on to expand Tyranids, Orks, Tau, and Necrons into anywhere near that scale.

Take this for what you will, but in the 9 months that our local GW store has been open, everything the manager has said was going to happen ... happened. Not just like "really close" either. He's hit it exactly spot on perfect every time (and probably violating GW policy left and right lol). Anyway, he's saying that for 8thED they're rolling everything into 3 huge compendiums. One for Xenos, one for the Imperium, and one for Chaos. So while not exactly the AoS "Grand Alliance" system, if he's right, it will be pretty darn close.

Tycho wrote:

They'd be either rewriting masses of fluff (making Ulthuan the Perverse get widespread acceptance to let Eldar/Orks ally, for instance) or squatting a big chunk of xeno Codexes to reduce it to four. And if they're not trying to reduce it the Ally system has already given us three large multi-book alliances (Imperium, Chaos, Eldar) and they'd need to get a serious move on to expand Tyranids, Orks, Tau, and Necrons into anywhere near that scale.

Take this for what you will, but in the 9 months that our local GW store has been open, everything the manager has said was going to happen ... happened. Not just like "really close" either. He's hit it exactly spot on perfect every time (and probably violating GW policy left and right lol). Anyway, he's saying that for 8thED they're rolling everything into 3 huge compendiums. One for Xenos, one for the Imperium, and one for Chaos. So while not exactly the AoS "Grand Alliance" system, if he's right, it will be pretty darn close.

While it sounds cool, fluff wise it doesn't make sense. Though game play wise I guess it could be cool and op

Tycho wrote:

They'd be either rewriting masses of fluff (making Ulthuan the Perverse get widespread acceptance to let Eldar/Orks ally, for instance) or squatting a big chunk of xeno Codexes to reduce it to four. And if they're not trying to reduce it the Ally system has already given us three large multi-book alliances (Imperium, Chaos, Eldar) and they'd need to get a serious move on to expand Tyranids, Orks, Tau, and Necrons into anywhere near that scale.

Take this for what you will, but in the 9 months that our local GW store has been open, everything the manager has said was going to happen ... happened. Not just like "really close" either. He's hit it exactly spot on perfect every time (and probably violating GW policy left and right lol). Anyway, he's saying that for 8thED they're rolling everything into 3 huge compendiums. One for Xenos, one for the Imperium, and one for Chaos. So while not exactly the AoS "Grand Alliance" system, if he's right, it will be pretty darn close.

After the entire godd*** elven civil war got reduced to the *bleep*ing "Malekith come back we love you!" mess in End Times book 3 I have very, very low expectations. If they don't try and tell me the Eldar and the Necrons have decided to let the War in Heaven slide and be buddies I'll accept it quietly and move on.

While it sounds cool, fluff wise it doesn't make sense. Though game play wise I guess it could be cool and op

The manager didn't have specifics beyond what I said above, so who knows, but I'm hoping they are collected in three hugs books for simplicity/organization sake. They could, theoretically, have three big tomes without actually changing anything in the fluff. Like I said though, who knows! lol

After the entire godd*** elven civil war got reduced to the *bleep*ing "Malekith come back we love you!" mess in End Times book 3 I have very, very low expectations. If they don't try and tell me the Eldar and the Necrons have decided to let the War in Heaven slide and be buddies I'll accept it quietly and move on.

I hear you and agree 100%!

I also believe if grand alliances are made, more codexes would need to be made so that each faction is their own. Anyone think of newer subfactions that can be made?

My prediction is they are going to go to a grand alliance like sigmar and you will see it broken up as such

Equivalent names, not actual

Imperium:
IoM (All falvors)

Order:
Eldar
Tau
IoM splinter forces.

Chaos:
Demons of all kind
Chaos space marines

Destruction:
Orks
Nids

Death:
Necron
Dark eldar

I think you are going to see some sort of split within the IoM again, those are are par the course for the emperor, and those who say screw it, we need to work with these other forces who also want to stop the baddies.

When building your army, If you force is made up entirely from one grand alliance, you will get a bonus, if they are made up entirely of same force, you get another bonus.


Really dont care what they do, they just need to ax the ally chart.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
My prediction is they are going to go to a grand alliance like sigmar and you will see it broken up as such

Equivalent names, not actual

Imperium:
IoM (All falvors)

Order:
Eldar
Tau
IoM splinter forces.

Chaos:
Demons of all kind
Chaos space marines

Destruction:
Orks
Nids

Death:
Necron
Dark eldar

I think you are going to see some sort of split within the IoM again, those are are par the course for the emperor, and those who say screw it, we need to work with these other forces who also want to stop the baddies.

When building your army, If you force is made up entirely from one grand alliance, you will get a bonus, if they are made up entirely of same force, you get another bonus.


Really dont care what they do, they just need to ax the ally chart.

I agree with getting rid of the ally matrix and doing the alliances so that fluffy allies exist still. I am hoping for something like this:

Alliance: IoM has all the Imperium armies

Alliance: Chaos has CSM and Daemons and maybe GW can make a small renegades and heretics faction to add

Alliance: Eldar has Eldar, DE, Harlies, and maybe an Exodite subfaction

Alliance: Nids has nids and the cults

Alliance: Necrons has crons and anything they can come up with to add

Alliance: Orks has Orks and a new faction they could make, maybe a grots & squigs subfaction

Alliance: Tau has Tau and an auxilary faction codex

Clearly this is more hopeful than anything, cause I've created new factions but one can hope alliances would allow new sub factions to be added easily

I have no issue with rolling everything into 3 books: Imperium/Chaos/Xeno.

However. Please keep the existing faction relationships to each other.

All the info in one place, but no 'Necrons and Tau are best buds all of a sudden because reasons!'.

 TheLumberJack wrote:
I also believe if grand alliances are made, more codexes would need to be made so that each faction is their own. Anyone think of newer subfactions that can be made?

Necrons and Tyranids need to be expanded on in general. Orks have had three army lists in various places over the years (normal, Feral, Mek/Dread Mob) and they all need updating/fixing, Eldar have four lists already but the Exodites could reappear, Tau need their xeno-auxiliaries worked on (Kroot, Vespid, Demiurg, Gue'vesa...).

It would be a streamlining of the allies system essentially, although I'd have a hard time categorizing Orks, Tyranids, and Necrons.