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Hey guys, I am looking at getting myself something to fill my lord of war slot but I dont know what to get, I like the look of the Typhon and the Hellblade (can chaos take the other baneblade variants?) but I have seen the Kytan and the knights used really well on the field.

So if we ignore the daemons as I dont really like fielding them with my army, what do you guys think of the Lords of war open to chaos.

Also lets ignore the titans as they are a bit on the expensive side in both points and money cost!

A renegade knight. There are no other better colosal ord of war on the game. Very nice rules and weapons options

Actually he is op if you think on his cost compared with other stuff.


Not as good as the eldar WK or the tau one, but best than chaos can get.



Other stuff as the khorne one are to much expensive. That one for 888 pts is unfair....you are close to be able to place 3 renegade knight instead

I'm a big fan of the Brass Scorpion, but he requires a dodgy interpretation of the rules ("Greater Brass Scorpion" doesn't overwrite "Brass Scorpion") and a 4th edition rulebook (the original Apocalypse book) to get the 400pt 6-HP one instead of the current version that pays an extra 300pts for three hull points.

Of your other options Renegade Knights and the Kytan are pretty useful, the Fellblade is a solid all-rounder for big games, the Thunderhawk, Reaver, and Warhound are too big, the Lord of Skulls is the ugliest thing on the planet and should be rejected on principle, Magnus is workable but a bit of a gamble and requires a pretty large game since he's in such an expensive army, and Chaos versions of all the IG tanks are unfortunately R&H-list-CAD-only so they're a bit hard to fit in.

The Renegade Knight is almost certainly going to be your best bet since it doesn't require FW models, FW books, backwards-compatibility rules patches, or 600+pts to field.

The typhon is absolutely a solid tank. Top performer

The greater brass scorpion is a beautiful thing and pretty good. (Using the 4th ed apocalypse version outside of apocalypse is probably not sound.. ),

But yeah the renengade knight is great. I prefer the FW daemon knight, although possibly less competitive. It's rules are a free download, so don't even need traitors hate.

Greater Brass has alot of damage potential. If you can mitigate its rear 10 AV. While Renegade knights are of course considered LoW they can also be fielded in a detachment. The Typhoon is probably your best choice. I feel the Kytan is not worth its price unless you running a fateweaver and tome.

Unlike others, I think Magnus is a real power house. But you need once more to be running demons to make the most of him.

So my vote is a Typhoon with a felblade as a secondary option.

I have a similar question, but it's about the detatchments in the Legions Book. If you take the detatchment 1+ auxillary +1 core, is there no way of including a Lord of War without going unbound?

My understanding is that they would be outside of the main detachment but still bound if taken as their own formation or as part of a CAD. I could be off but that is what I got out of reading it. I had the same question after reading the emperor's children formation.

 Norn Queen Yurei wrote:
I have a similar question, but it's about the detatchments in the Legions Book. If you take the detatchment 1+ auxillary +1 core, is there no way of including a Lord of War without going unbound?

Correct. But nothing is stopping you from taking a CAD along with your legion detachment. Also, you can take a detachment of renegade knights for multiple LoW's. There is also the Trinity of Blood formation, but who is going to take that?

So finally, forgive me for being dumb, a combined arms detatchment would be a separate force organisation chart that works alongside the other one? like allies, but from the same codex?

 Norn Queen Yurei wrote:
So finally, forgive me for being dumb, a combined arms detatchment would be a separate force organisation chart that works alongside the other one? like allies, but from the same codex?

Yup, that's Correct.

But as noted above, if you go with the Renegade Knight (which would be my choice) you can take the Knight without taking a CAD since a single Renegade Knight can be it's own Formation.

This btw, is my own plan once I finish painting enough of my Chaos models to warrant another purchase.

thank you insectum, table, swabby

So the overal consensus i stake a knight, in that case can anyone point me in the direction of all models that I can use a knight proxies just as I like to have something different.

Dreamforge hear I come!

deathwolf669 wrote:
So the overal consensus i stake a knight, in that case can anyone point me in the direction of all models that I can use a knight proxies just as I like to have something different.

Dreamforge hear I come!

Depends on how much work you want to do, and how much money you want to spend. And since it's a Chaos Knight you could get pretty weird with it, given the premise of Daemon Engines. Imagine, if you will, a Tzeentchian magically-animated stone construct built out of taking a Woldwrath (Circle Orboros gargantuan, Hordes), and making the wooden bits in the joints fleshy with green stuff and then covering it in greenstuff fire.

(Of the more traditional Warmachine Colossi the Khador, Mercs, and Protectorate Colossals are the only ones I wouldn't suggest trying to make Chaos Knights out of, they all look too normal/Imperial while the rest look like they might be the products of a Dark Mechanicum Forge World)

You could look for giant robot toys/out of scale random infantry models instead, but there'd be a tradeoff in detail that comes with the reduced price.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

deathwolf669 wrote:
So the overal consensus i stake a knight, in that case can anyone point me in the direction of all models that I can use a knight proxies just as I like to have something different.

Dreamforge hear I come!

Depends on how much work you want to do, and how much money you want to spend. And since it's a Chaos Knight you could get pretty weird with it, given the premise of Daemon Engines. Imagine, if you will, a Tzeentchian magically-animated stone construct built out of taking a Woldwrath (Circle Orboros gargantuan, Hordes), and making the wooden bits in the joints fleshy with green stuff and then covering it in greenstuff fire.

(Of the more traditional Warmachine Colossi the Khador, Mercs, and Protectorate Colossals are the only ones I wouldn't suggest trying to make Chaos Knights out of, they all look too normal/Imperial while the rest look like they might be the products of a Dark Mechanicum Forge World)

You could look for giant robot toys/out of scale random infantry models instead, but there'd be a tradeoff in detail that comes with the reduced price.

Well in this case it is a simple case of surprise me, I will consider all options and if i need to save up I will save up

deathwolf669 wrote:
...Well in this case it is a simple case of surprise me, I will consider all options and if i need to save up I will save up

The other reason I like the old Brass Scorpion is that the model pictured in the book was built out of two Defiler kits; eight legs, four claws, and two spare claws to make the tail out of. Not many kits that are that modular or rearrangeable these days, but some kind of unholy fusion of Daemon Engine kits (Defiler legs, Forgefiend torso/guns, Heldrake neck/head?) could be cool.

Hmmm would leave me a lot of extra bits to play with too.

I might do something like that as a project later on

 Norn Queen Yurei wrote:
I have a similar question, but it's about the detatchments in the Legions Book. If you take the detatchment 1+ auxillary +1 core, is there no way of including a Lord of War without going unbound?

You can take a Renegade Knight as a separate detachment, you can also take a Kytan in any formation that can take a Lord of Skulls, per the rules of the Kytan

 Norn Queen Yurei wrote:
I have a similar question, but it's about the detatchments in the Legions Book. If you take the detatchment 1+ auxillary +1 core, is there no way of including a Lord of War without going unbound?

If it's a Renegade Knight you take it as part of a Renegade Knight detachment - still bound.

Otherwise, unless they include LoW options - you don't get them there.

However, the Legion rules are very solid across the board and have a bit of flexibility so a CAD dipping into IA:13 wouldn't be amiss either.

Kytan all day long for me.

Typhon and knights.....everything else is too costly.

 sfshilo wrote:
Typhon and knights.....everything else is too costly.

The Kytan is better than a knight by a very large margin. But you generally need to support it where as knights not so much. It really depends on your list and what you are focusing on. A kytan can turn into a 3++ super walker but that requires a significant investment. I would say the Kytan is a better fit for daemon armies or CSM lists that are heavily allied. The overall problem with most LoW choices for both imperials and chaos is that they are almost all AV based. And AV based in this edition is not a good thing. This changes the focus from your LoW choices supporting your forces as with most other factions to your forces supporting your LoW. The exceptions to this are pretty much knights and the Typhoon and or the fellblade. My point being is that is not so much a cost problem as it is a AV problem. Its just that knights are ALMOST cheap enough to lose without losing a game.

The release of magnus changes things up considerably in the LoW department but I have no used him or fought him so I cannot comment on to how big of a shake up it is. A D-beam is nothing to shake a stick at however.