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Hello Everyone,
I am starting 40K for the first time ever, i have no Miniatures, Paints, Equipment, Books, anything.

I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough tell me what the better option would be:

1. Get DV to kind of get a better understanding of the game.
2. Start collecting a Space Marine Army via the Start Collecting Box Set, https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Start-Collecting-Space-Marines

P.S I haved been hearing that 8th Edition is coming out soon, should i wait to start collecting until after it releases?

If you want to play dark angels, dark.vengeance is a good idea because you can sell the chaos, and keep the mini rulebook, which is exceptionally handy. If you weren't going to do dark angels, go for the starter collecting. From discounters is an absolute steal.

In regards to 8th, the answer is Soon tm. It's coming, just not sure when/how soon

it really depends on what you wanna build army wise. dark vengence is a decent value foir dark angels players, and an INSANELY good value for someone wanting to start chaos (as you can choasfy everything there you can basicly have a pretty sizeable chaos army right out of the box)

SubCommander wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I am starting 40K for the first time ever, i have no Miniatures, Paints, Equipment, Books, anything.

I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough tell me what the better option would be:

1. Get DV to kind of get a better understanding of the game.
2. Start collecting a Space Marine Army via the Start Collecting Box Set, https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Start-Collecting-Space-Marines

P.S I haved been hearing that 8th Edition is coming out soon, should i wait to start collecting until after it releases?

I would get the Start Collecting! box rather than DV, if you just wanted normal Space Marines.
If you want Dark Angels or Chaos Space marines, then get DV.

Finally, I wouldn't wait for 8th if I were you, maybe just hold off buying the rule book unless if you can't get one for cheap, and don't have regular access to an in store one.

 Rippy wrote:
...maybe just hold off buying the rule book unless if you can't get one for cheap...

(For reference: there's a core rulebook in the Dark Vengeance box, and it goes for about $25 US on Ebay; you'll need that and a Codex for whichever army you feel like starting. New editions have in the past been designed to be backwards-compatible with existing Codexes and Codexes got updated on an irregular schedule, a DA book bought now might be current for a year, a year and a half, or the panicmongers might be right and 8th might be a drastic overhaul and you'll need a new one in six months.)

So you would like to play space marines ?

ugh australia your prices are all fethed up... :\
My advice, start small and learn to paint and if you like to paint before you buy into the game, especcially since your prices are this high.

Your first Models. Get a few cheap marines these can be second hands ( ebay etc). You should be able to get some for a few $'s a piece. Feel free to experiment on those with color schemes and techniques. It is also important to start small and stay disciplined not to buy too much as it only leads to accumulating piles of grey plastic, like most of us do. If you somehow can't buy any marines second hands buy this kit as your first kit.
-> https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Space-Marines

Paint. What paints you need depends on what chapter you want to paint them in, but there are enough guides online that help you. It might also be good to search for Vallejo or P3 paints those are better deals around here. ( except for metals P3 metals are on par with GW's old metals and not nearly as good as the modern GW metals the rest of their paints is fine)

The book and the dice etc that are in the DV set can be bought second hands for a discount so you do not really need to buy that set just for the rules. It does however get you the models for a discount. So if you want exactly these models you could consider buying the box.

it might also be worth while to check out the calth set. Since it has some decent quality marines in them.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/The-Horus-Heresy-Betrayal-at-Calth-Book

or even the prospero set

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Burning-of-Prospero-ENG

 oldzoggy wrote:
...except for metals P3 metals are on par with GW's old metals and not nearly as good as the modern GW metals...

I like the P3 metals better, personally; they're more opaque and don't separate quite as eagerly.


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 oldzoggy wrote:
...it might also be worth while to check out the calth set...or even the prospero set...

Now that's a thought. Either one is thirty dudes and five Terminators with a couple of character models and a Dreadnaught (in Calth) or a Custodes squad and a Sisters of Silence squad (in Prospero functionally free on top of that, grab a couple of transports and you're basically ready to go.

I might just have the wrong P3 metals then. The ones I have all tend to go silvery and lose their copper / gold hues when you dilute the pigments in any way just like the old Gw ones did while the new GW golds seem to hold color.
Perhaps I just got an old inferior batch or something.

 oldzoggy wrote:
I might just have the wrong P3 metals then. The ones I have all tend to go silvery and lose their copper / gold hues when you dilute the pigments in any way just like the old Gw ones did while the new GW golds seem to hold color.
Perhaps I just got an old inferior batch or something.

Lots of quality control/age-related explanations for this one. To the OP: We've got anecdotal evidence that P3 metals are faulty and anecdotal evidence they're fine, you may want a larger sample size than just us two before deciding.

SubCommander wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I am starting 40K for the first time ever, i have no Miniatures, Paints, Equipment, Books, anything.

I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough tell me what the better option would be:

1. Get DV to kind of get a better understanding of the game.
2. Start collecting a Space Marine Army via the Start Collecting Box Set, https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Start-Collecting-Space-Marines

P.S I haved been hearing that 8th Edition is coming out soon, should i wait to start collecting until after it releases?

If you are going to go SM, then go with the Start Collecting or one of the horus heresy boxes. The HH boxes are cheaper per model, but the Space marines are wearing "Older" Armor; they aren't 'technically' 40k models. However, nobody is going to care except you, so if you want the more money efficient option, go with an HH box.

Books - Ebay. Don't freak over the new edition,but don't spend money on new books.

As for paints, might as well pick up some cheap acrylics and a clear spray from your local smiley face. In two years you won't like your paint job regardless of paint 'quality' and will repaint them anyway.

The only place you really should spend lots of $$ is a good set of paint brushes. Nothing can stop you, except sh- brushes. Learn how to take good care of them too, they aren't cheap.

Other things you want on your list; Large bookshelf, Large painting surface, a set of hobby knifes, Flush cutting side wire cutters, side wire cutter, tape measure, about 20 six sided dice, gel superglue (people will argue with me on this one, but super glue works 10,000 better then citadel glue).

When you get to the point where you have to go somewhere to play, you'll want to look into foam of some sort, but that's a whole 'nother thread.

I say get Dark Vengeance. After all you get the rules with it so need to worry not about getting them then. Even if they last 6 months you will still have them. Basically think of it as the rules are free and you are just buying the minis. Also I can't remember, are not the minis easier to put together?

What army are you interested. I believe you want Space Marines. Do Dark Angels interest you? How about Chaos? Do you want two armies or just one? If you do get Dark Vengeance and don't want to play as Dark Angels, is it ok with the Dark Angels icons on them? If not, then it's a great deal.

How about Kill Teams? https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Warhammer-40000-Killteam

Mind you that is in Canadian prices. You start smaller, cost is cheaper but I believe you still get a copy of 40K rules as well as the Kill Team rules as well. Yes you get Tau as well but at least you start with Space Marines if Dark Angels don't interest you at all.

I want to support a third option: the "Kill Team" box.

For even less money than the DV or SC boxes it gives you a unit of Tactical Marines, a unit of Tau Firewarriors (which you could use as they are, or use as painting test material, or trade/sell for more SM models), the rulebook in its handy small format - and the "Kill Team" rules and senarios on top. That last part is a really nice thing for beginners, since you now have an option for small games - otherwise you would have to build up a "real" army before getting into the action.

While reading through the Comments and doing some research online i have heard about 40K End Times and the end of the WH40K forever. Should i still get an Army if 40K may have a similar fate to Warhammer Fantasy soon?


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 Darnok wrote:
I want to support a third option: the "Kill Team" box.

For even less money than the DV or SC boxes it gives you a unit of Tactical Marines, a unit of Tau Firewarriors (which you could use as they are, or use as painting test material, or trade/sell for more SM models), the rulebook in its handy small format - and the "Kill Team" rules and senarios on top. That last part is a really nice thing for beginners, since you now have an option for small games - otherwise you would have to build up a "real" army before getting into the action.

I checked and they arent available any longer apparently.

Non of us know for sure or are secretly GW employees and are bound by contract not to tell the rest of us ; )

So all of that stuff out there about 40k going away is just hearsay, rumors and opinions. Its up to you how to value them. My opinion is that it is all a load of crap. Sure 8th edition will bring changes, perhaps even in the factions but na the game will still be there. GW has little reason to awaken an other half year of nerd rage directed at them.


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Just look at these reactions
http://natfka.blogspot.nl/2017/01/the-fall-of-cadia-preparation-for-8th.html

SubCommander wrote:
While reading through the Comments and doing some research online i have heard about 40K End Times and the end of the WH40K forever. Should i still get an Army if 40K may have a similar fate to Warhammer Fantasy soon?

40k won't end forever; this is GW's cash cow, they wouldn't risk the back lash that they got with AoS end times.
Saying that, reports are telling us things will be shaken up quite a bit, here is just a little summary of what we know:
-The 13th black crusade will break Cadia and the Crimson path will be opened towards Terra.
-In terms of fluff this means we will have a second battle of Terra, this will have one of three outcomes: Terra will fall and the Imperium will be splintered (possible that the Emperor returns or transends to Godhood), Terra will survive but the Crimson path will have forever corrupted the Galaxy beyond repair or they will leave us fighting the battle of Terra like we have been fighting at Cadia for the past 10 years.
-In terms of gameplay, 8th is rumoured to be halfway between 40k 7e and AoS. There have been some alarming reports of no toughness values.
-GW have also said that they will be bringing out new units for all factions in the new year.

So what does this mean for you: you could learn all the rules for 7e just to be thrown into the mixup that is 8e and you will have wasted a couple of months learning the rules just for them to go. However you will know the basics of the rules and if you start playing now you will meet people who will be in the exact same boat as you come 8e and you will be able to help each other learn the new rule set.

Hope this helps.

SubCommander wrote:
While reading through the Comments and doing some research online i have heard about 40K End Times and the end of the WH40K forever. Should i still get an Army if 40K may have a similar fate to Warhammer Fantasy soon?

From Lady Atia who gives us rumours who hasn't been wrong once yet, she is saying 40K is not going anywhere. Right now the story is 5 minutes to midnight on the dooms day clock. GW will advance the story to 1 minute to midnight. So it's still going to be 40K, so in MOST CASES nothing is going to change but rule tweaks/changes just like 3rd to 4th to 5th to 6th to 7th. So 8th edition will most likely be third edition rules so it will really be 3.5 edition. There is a chance it can be a complete reboot like it was from Rogue Trader (first edition) to second edition to third edition. Reading from Lady Atia, it doesn't seem that will be the case though.

What Lady Atia does imply there will be no Age of Sigmar going on. By that history/fluff will not change, universe will not be destroyed. The answers we don't know of is how much simplification will happen, will the core mechanics actually change and just be tweaks.

Games Workshop does have a history of invalidating expensive books in less than a year though. So I would buy the minis, like I said Kill Teams great place to start and don't buy any expensive books because of GW sleazy tactics of being quiet so they can keep selling right up to the minute of the current version knowing full well a new edition will be out. I even saw this personally in a store. Someone trying to sell 4th edition to a Mom and kid knowing full well 5th edition will be released in one weeks time. No warning to wait a week, just wanting the current sale.

While GW has changed a bit, in this regard I don't think GW has changed or they would have told us otherwise. So be very wary in buying books from GW. Even a codex can be invalidated. I don't think it can, but we don't know. GW might just do what they did with Age of Sigmar and put out the stats for units for free on the internet for free but buy a "general's handbook" for points. Then again maybe it will not happen and you use your current codex.

Thing is, you still have 6 months to play. If you know you are going to get lots of games in, getting a codex, used on eBay or brand new can still be a great investment and be worth the price you pay to have lots of fun in 6 months.

Also don't forget, GW has a great rule. "Counts As". That means if you want to play Space Marines, the Tau minis can be used or "counts as" Space Marines for you to start playing with a bit more miniatures.

So the question is, how much gaming do you think you will be getting in 6 months time?

Don't wait for 8th edition. It may be a year or more before it actually hits. Also don't worry about 40k End Times or anything. The story may develop but unlike Fantasy, 40k isn't going anywhere.
Get Dark Vengeance only if you like the miniatures in it. Otherwise, try finding the mini rulebook on E-bay or someplace else (or ask in your local club). Lots of people don't really need it and are happy to help out a newcomer, so you can get it really cheap or even for free.
Also try to get Kill Team (there are also really great free Kill Team rulesets out there, like Heralds of Ruin). This will allow you to play games while you are building your army.