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Your opinions would be much appreciated.

Please specify what are you looking for.

If it's gameplay utility it's better to grab EC and DG, as they are the strongest legions currently.

If it's love for the lore flair, both do well. If you don't mind shelling cash, do TS, as they have their own models and thus have a more unique look. If you do, go play IW.

If it's a mix of the both, go for TS, as they will have the flair and are better than IW.

Thousand Sons! Those new models are awesome!

Plan to lose more than a typical CSM player? Go Thousand Sons.

Plan to lose about the same amount as a typical CSM player? Go Iron Warriors.

With a new edition slated to drop this year, I would probably hold off on anything major. At least with Thousand Sons, whatever they change, for better or worse, will at least include the new Thousand Sons models. So they won't be a complete waste of money. That is unless you actually wanted a competitive army.

Iron Warriors! Iron within iron without!

Lord Kragan wrote:
Please specify what are you looking for.

If it's gameplay utility it's better to grab EC and DG, as they are the strongest legions currently.

If it's love for the lore flair, both do well. If you don't mind shelling cash, do TS, as they have their own models and thus have a more unique look. If you do, go play IW.

If it's a mix of the both, go for TS, as they will have the flair and are better than IW.

Id put both World Eaters and Black Legion before EC. But thats just me.

What character would you rather play?

A humble wizard preying, casting, and culling.

A resilient cannoneer catching bullets and shooting bombs.

If its about being competitive TS would be designed for 8th in mind (ie. changed psychic phase and adjusted point costs). IW will always be good.

I'm a Tzeentch guy myself, but IW would be the other army I'd play. Gimme me all of the Cult of Destruction Obliterators and Haemotrope Reactors you have. Plasma bombing w/FNP.

If I were to play TS, would every basic CSM have to be a Rubric Marine, or can regular CSMs be in the army as well?

TapedTempest wrote:
If I were to play TS, would every basic CSM have to be a Rubric Marine, or can regular CSMs be in the army as well?

You can use standard marines as well, but to be considered Thousand Sons you'll need to give them the Mark of Tzeentch which is pretty much useless for anyone but HQ.

I'm kind of missing the appeal to the TS in that case. I like their appearance, but the models are quite pricey, and although it is speculated that they'll be better off in the next edition, I'd rather not rest my hopes on that.

The appeal to the Thousand Sons has always been their background and little else. Aside from the Black Legion, the Thousand Sons are probably the most fleshed out traitor legion. But rules wise they've been a let down since 3rd edition.

Not only do they suffer from the general problems of the CSM codex, but the Mark of Tzeentch is pretty awful overall, the Tzeentch psychic powers still leave a lot to be desired, the Rubric Marines are still horrendously overcosted and suffer from having a lvl1 Psyker. Their entire release was mostly marginalized once the Traitor Legion book was released 2 weeks later and people saw what Nurgle was getting.

CSM, Orks, and Dark Eldar are very poor choices for starting a new army in general simply because their rules are such garbage. But with an entire new edition of the game coming out within 6 months on top of this, I would really be very careful with buying anything that isn't loyalist, Eldar, Tau, or Necron.

Nvs wrote:
The appeal to the Thousand Sons has always been their background and little else. Aside from the Black Legion, the Thousand Sons are probably the most fleshed out traitor legion. But rules wise they've been a let down since 3rd edition.

Not only do they suffer from the general problems of the CSM codex, but the Mark of Tzeentch is pretty awful overall, the Tzeentch psychic powers still leave a lot to be desired, the Rubric Marines are still horrendously overcosted and suffer from having a lvl1 Psyker. Their entire release was mostly marginalized once the Traitor Legion book was released 2 weeks later and people saw what Nurgle was getting.

CSM, Orks, and Dark Eldar are very poor choices for starting a new army in general simply because their rules are such garbage. But with an entire new edition of the game coming out within 6 months on top of this, I would really be very careful with buying anything that isn't loyalist, Eldar, Tau, or Necron.

I also would consider C:SM as a solid starter army. I would not advise TS's to a new player as it is heavily psyker based and requires a good understanding of that phase of the game.


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TapedTempest wrote:
I'm kind of missing the appeal to the TS in that case. I like their appearance, but the models are quite pricey, and although it is speculated that they'll be better off in the next edition, I'd rather not rest my hopes on that.

TS are pretty powerful actually. Its just you wont be running rubrics and occults and will be pretty much Magnus and friends + Horrors/screamers/heralds. Not top tier mind you, but Magnus and friends can pull off some nasty stuff. For much LoL you can have the demon HQ as Belakor and troll the invis magnus. The horrors will eat your wallet alive however as you will be needing hundreds of dollars worth of them. Its to bad they couldnt make rubrics competitive but they still work in most games and your mileage may vary due to meta.

one plus of iron warriors is that it's a lot easier to build a generic list for iron warriors and then decide later on you wanna run something differant then it is with 1k sons.

be it iron warriors, death guard, emperor's children, alpha legion etc. a chaos wartband is a chaos warband is a chaos warband

Definately wouldn't advise a TSons army to a new player or even anyone not well versed in the psychic phase. Keeping track of multiple casters can be more than some people can manage and a sizable Sons army will have quite a few.

I run both TS and IW and the Iron Warriors are definately the more forgiving army of the two while also not having sich a rigid focus on all psychers all the time like the Sons. You've got all the tools required available to you, especially with tank hunting havoks and oblits. It's really not too hard to mash together a warband that almost builds itself and then jam a cult in there for a relatively fluffy and semi competative IW army.

I just saw the most brutal beat down I have ever seen in 40K won by the Thousand Sons.

Methinks people who don't think 1K Sons are high tier after their update have not fully digested their new rules.

 jasper76 wrote:
I just saw the most brutal beat down I have ever seen in 40K won by the Thousand Sons.

Methinks people who don't think 1K Sons are high tier after their update have not fully digested their new rules.

Did it include Magnus and Horrors?

Table wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Please specify what are you looking for.

If it's gameplay utility it's better to grab EC and DG, as they are the strongest legions currently.

If it's love for the lore flair, both do well. If you don't mind shelling cash, do TS, as they have their own models and thus have a more unique look. If you do, go play IW.

If it's a mix of the both, go for TS, as they will have the flair and are better than IW.

Id put both World Eaters and Black Legion before EC. But thats just me.

Kakophony is downright nasty. 3 S5 shred shots with ignores cover on my basic infantry is downright nasty, all for less than sternguard.

Lord Kragan wrote:

Table wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Please specify what are you looking for.

If it's gameplay utility it's better to grab EC and DG, as they are the strongest legions currently.

If it's love for the lore flair, both do well. If you don't mind shelling cash, do TS, as they have their own models and thus have a more unique look. If you do, go play IW.

If it's a mix of the both, go for TS, as they will have the flair and are better than IW.

Id put both World Eaters and Black Legion before EC. But thats just me.

Kakophony is downright nasty. 3 S5 shred shots with ignores cover on my basic infantry is downright nasty, all for less than sternguard.

On Salvo weapons. On that point 20 point infantry.

No, Emperor's Children are definitely behind a lot of the others.

Nvs wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
I just saw the most brutal beat down I have ever seen in 40K won by the Thousand Sons.

Methinks people who don't think 1K Sons are high tier after their update have not fully digested their new rules.

Did it include Magnus and Horrors?

Magnus , but the only Pink Horrors were summoned by sorcerers. It was a 4500 point game and dude had something ridiculous like 45 warp charge points before the Pinkos even showed up.