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Other than Mr. Everchosen, is there much fluff around undivided / multi- god warbands? With the new LoC I'm really having a hard time sticking to my plan of one army, but... Chaos is just a single army. Sort of.

My main problem is the idea just sits a little wrong with me. I'm trying to trick myself into seeing Chaos Super Friends as being brilliant and fluffy... because I sure know I'd rather just use my Khorne Bloodbound as my core, and not repaint 40 basic infantry in a slightly different color scheme.

I have not read anything about Chaos Undivided in the background other than Archaon who is the champion of all of the powers.

They seemed to have moved away from chaos undivided years ago.

General rule of thumb chaos hates everyone even the other chaos god, they only work together to destory something good.

Chaos undivided unsutally only happens under some big bad ass general IE Archeon or his armless brother abaddon, where they kinda just roll with all of the gods, other wise they do their own thing.

A follower of Chaos Undivided likely doesn't see it as "superfriends" so much as not wanting to anger any particular power. They likely make offerings to each of the gods (and probably a bunch of minor ones, too), depending on circumstance. Think of it like most polytheistic cultures- most followers don't dedicate themselves wholly to any one deity, but try to offend any.

First off I love the punny title

Chaos undivided generally comes in the form of unmarked chaos models, or in other words the Slaves to Darkness faction. They are dedicated to chaos as a whole but do not tend towards any particular god, like Black Legion from 40k. Also like Black Legion, they may make use of god-specific options as specialist troops and will readily use a mix of them. Any chaos leader with enough power will be able to bend the followers of multiple gods to his will, even if he is dedicated to a specific god himself. This happens all over the place in the fluff.

Wasn't there some backstory with some followers of chaos worshipping the nature of chaos itself, but despising the gods as entities? Or am I a crazy person?

If we are talking about mortals, it makes perfect sense for a culture to worship Chaos as a pantheon. And withing that culture there could be sects dedicated to specific gods.

I'm working on some fluff for a Chaos Undivided faction I call the Legion of Rusted Chains. Thus far, I've decided they believe that there are actually 8 chaos gods, one for each mortal realm (to them, this is the origin of the eight points on the Star Chaos). They believe only six of those gods have been found thus far: Khorne (Aqshy) , Nurgle (Ghyran), Slaanesh (Ulu), Tzeench (Hysh), the Horned Rat (Chamon), and Archaon (Azyr) whom they believe ascended to godhood much to his displeasure. The other two have yet to reveal themselves. One (Ghur) is believed to be the god of beasts who will one day arise from the Brayherds to lead the Beastmen. The other (Shyish) is the god of entropy who is thought to be hiding among the ranks of Nagash' armies.

The Legion believes when all eight gods have taken command of their respective realms, the ethereal chains thought to hold the realms together will be broken, and the realms will shatter into the realm of Chaos.

Sorry if this was a little off-topic. I just wanted to share my head cannon and see if anyone else wanted to adopt it.

I like it, EnTyme.

Hijack away! It's a pretty neat idea I think.

For me, I'm trying to think why a greater daemon of Tzeentch would say "Hey, let's party with this Bloodthirster and his lovable band of Khorne worshippers!" I suppose "He has plans." works, but add in some Skaven, a keeper of secrets, etc and it kinda falls apart.

It's entirely possible that it really wouldn't make any sense, but it would be neat to have a small core of units, and then add in a few centerpiece models from other armies as the fancy strikes.

Thinking of that... I should look at my blood bound. I wonder if a less... "red red red" paint job would make them passable as marauders.

Maybe they looted their armor from a bunch of dead blood guys, and that's why it still has the khorne iconography?

 Lansirill wrote:
Hijack away! It's a pretty neat idea I think.

For me, I'm trying to think why a greater daemon of Tzeentch would say "Hey, let's party with this Bloodthirster and his lovable band of Khorne worshippers!" I suppose "He has plans." works, but add in some Skaven, a keeper of secrets, etc and it kinda falls apart.

It's entirely possible that it really wouldn't make any sense, but it would be neat to have a small core of units, and then add in a few centerpiece models from other armies as the fancy strikes.

Thinking of that... I should look at my blood bound. I wonder if a less... "red red red" paint job would make them passable as marauders.

If you can get your hands on a 7th/8th edition Chaos Daemons army book to read the fluff I think it would help you out. It describes how mixed-god armies are common (and this is among actual daemons no less) and how they fight against other mixed-god armies all the time. I think in general its important to remember that the politics of chaos gods are impossibly convoluted and may be founded on reasoning that mortals (including us players) simply cannot understand. I know this can sound like a cop-out (and it certainly can be when used as a sole excuse ('cuz the warp lol')) but for a player really invested in developing a background for their army the idea that we may simply be unable to fathom the logic can be a great tool.


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 EnTyme wrote:
I'm working on some fluff for a Chaos Undivided faction I call the Legion of Rusted Chains. Thus far, I've decided they believe that there are actually 8 chaos gods, one for each mortal realm (to them, this is the origin of the eight points on the Star Chaos). They believe only six of those gods have been found thus far: Khorne (Aqshy) , Nurgle (Ghyran), Slaanesh (Ulu), Tzeench (Hysh), the Horned Rat (Chamon), and Archaon (Azyr) whom they believe ascended to godhood much to his displeasure. The other two have yet to reveal themselves. One (Ghur) is believed to be the god of beasts who will one day arise from the Brayherds to lead the Beastmen. The other (Shyish) is the god of entropy who is thought to be hiding among the ranks of Nagash' armies.

The Legion believes when all eight gods have taken command of their respective realms, the ethereal chains thought to hold the realms together will be broken, and the realms will shatter into the realm of Chaos.

Sorry if this was a little off-topic. I just wanted to share my head cannon and see if anyone else wanted to adopt it.

I think its a cool idea for an army. Maybe you could have it so Archaon is merely a demigod because he is outcast from his realm (as Sigmar currently owns Azyr).

NinthMusketeer wrote:If you can get your hands on a 7th/8th edition Chaos Daemons army book to read the fluff I think it would help you out. It describes how mixed-god armies are common (and this is among actual daemons no less) and how they fight against other mixed-god armies all the time. I think in general its important to remember that the politics of chaos gods are impossibly convoluted and may be founded on reasoning that mortals (including us players) simply cannot understand. I know this can sound like a cop-out (and it certainly can be when used as a sole excuse ('cuz the warp lol')) but for a player really invested in developing a background for their army the idea that we may simply be unable to fathom the logic can be a great tool.

I took a look through a copy from a, ahem, friend and it did help a bit. Liked the bit about how they may spend a few days bashing each other about until they decide who is in charge, and then go about their merry way wreaking havoc until someone forgets they just had a big ole brawl deciding who's the toughest. Helps me think of them as being more opportunistic and less... everything is following a master plan and is all totally organized, because Chaos is *all* about following an org chart.

Well, if chaos destroys chaos they are just eliminating the weak, benefiting chaos. If chaos destroys anything else then its slaying their enemies, benefiting chaos.

 Lansirill wrote:
Other than Mr. Everchosen, is there much fluff around undivided / multi- god warbands?

Quite a bit in the storyline.

Pestilens is always hanging out with Rotbringers, there has been a pure undivided warband in one of the Battleplans, and All-Gates had Slaaneshi and Khorne forces fighting together (they didn't enjoy it, but there was not much choice as a massive horde of Ironjawz had shown up while Stormcasts were assaulting the Chaos Dreadhold!).

Go for it, I say...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I think its a cool idea for an army. Maybe you could have it so Archaon is merely a demigod because he is outcast from his realm (as Sigmar currently owns Azyr).

Ooh! Good call.

Why not make an army that worships malal and true chaos

 Crimson wrote:
If we are talking about mortals, it makes perfect sense for a culture to worship Chaos as a pantheon. And withing that culture there could be sects dedicated to specific gods.

I like the idea of a band of mortals worshiping the chaos gods as a pantheon.

If I'm reading the rules right with the Chaos Lord you don't have to take a mark, but you're missing out on a decent benefit if you choose not to. If a person wanted to do chaos undivided and stay fluffy without handicapping themselves much maybe they could roll randomly for what mark they have before each game? It could represent the chaos lord praying to the gods and one of them answering his prayers.

I think it would be pretty fun, if your opponent was okay with it, for a chaos undivided lord to roll a d6 on a prayer table before the game starts to get his mark(s). Something along these lines:
1: The Chaos Lord is transformed into a Chaos Spawn
2: Mark of Khorne
3: Mark of Nurgle
4: Mark of Tzeentch
5: Mark of Slaanesh
6: The Chaos Lord gets 1d3+1 marks of the player's choice (the same mark cannot be chosen twice)