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I want to make a solid TAC list and unsure about what Russ variants to play. In theory I would like one anti troop one anti tank and the 3rd a light tank / heavy infantry one. All CC welcome

HQ
tank commander pask
- Leman russ executioner
- plasma sponsons
255pt

Leman russ eradicator
- lascannon
130pt

troops
veterans
grenaders
x3 plasma gun
x1 plasma pistol
chimera
200 pt

troops
veterans
grenaders
x3 plasma gun
x1 plasma pistol
chimera
200 pt

heavy
leman russ punisher
- heavy bolter sponsons
160pt

total 945

I see two things. One simple the eradicator is an anti light infantry tank so the hull lascannon is out of place.

Second you have no way to deal with heavy armor, what would you do if you faced south gaurd list with a Russ of its own?

Holy plasma batman, at least one or maybe both very squads should be meltas

Well for one I'd switch Pask from the Executioner to the Punisher. Pask in a Punisher is just all kinds of fun, even able to glance AV14 tanks to death with some lucky rends. Also, it's waaay to easy to overheat Executioner's to death, especially with plasma sponsons too.
Like Aleis says, swapping at least one of the vets squads over to melta would be wise. And with the points you save doing that you can switch the upgrades from one of the squads to Demolitions and have a demo charge to chuck at things! (Safety Warning: Use of demolition charges is dangerous and should only be attempted if you don't mind the prospect of it scattering right back onto your squad and causing much hilarity all round.)

aleis wrote:
I see two things. One simple the eradicator is an anti light infantry tank so the hull lascannon is out of place.

Second you have no way to deal with heavy armor, what would you do if you faced south gaurd list with a Russ of its own?

Holy plasma batman, at least one or maybe both very squads should be meltas

what do you suggest as a russ variant deal with anti armor?


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 Aben Zin wrote:
Well for one I'd switch Pask from the Executioner to the Punisher. Pask in a Punisher is just all kinds of fun, even able to glance AV14 tanks to death with some lucky rends. Also, it's waaay to easy to overheat Executioner's to death, especially with plasma sponsons too.
Like Aleis says, swapping at least one of the vets squads over to melta would be wise. And with the points you save doing that you can switch the upgrades from one of the squads to Demolitions and have a demo charge to chuck at things! (Safety Warning: Use of demolition charges is dangerous and should only be attempted if you don't mind the prospect of it scattering right back onto your squad and causing much hilarity all round.)

Thanks! Made some changes! Vets are now on anti armor duties and swapped in a regular battle tank to sit backfield. Revised list below.

HQ
tank commander pask
leman russ punisher
- heavy bolter sponsons
230pt

Leman russ eradicator ( or exterminator? )
heavy bolters
140pt

troops
veterans
demolitions
x3 melta gun
chimera
200 pt

troops
veterans
demolitions
x3 melta gun
chimera
200 pt

heavy
leman russ battle tank ( should this be some other anti armor? I want to keep it a some kind of russ for now as I have the model )
pts 150

total 920

Demolisher with multi melta sponsons is probably the best anti-armour you're going to get with Russes - though don't underestimate Pask with his Punisher, at least against most things.
20 shots rerolling 1's to hit (from his Old Grudges) and rolls to pen means you're bound to get a few rending hits. It might struggle against AV13/14 but at 1000 points you're not going to see much AV14 hopefully, and you've still got the vets for that.

 Aben Zin wrote:
Demolisher with multi melta sponsons is probably the best anti-armour you're going to get with Russes - though don't underestimate Pask with his Punisher, at least against most things.
20 shots rerolling 1's to hit (from his Old Grudges) and rolls to pen means you're bound to get a few rending hits. It might struggle against AV13/14 but at 1000 points you're not going to see much AV14 hopefully, and you've still got the vets for that.

Only problem is the Multi Melta's will be snap shooting if you fire the Demolisher Cannon as it is Ordinance and the Russ sadly lost the ability to shoot all weapons at full BS that it had in the old days.

I am more than happy to be corrected on this though.

 Aben Zin wrote:
Demolisher with multi melta sponsons is probably the best anti-armour you're going to get with Russes - though don't underestimate Pask with his Punisher, at least against most things.
20 shots rerolling 1's to hit (from his Old Grudges) and rolls to pen means you're bound to get a few rending hits. It might struggle against AV13/14 but at 1000 points you're not going to see much AV14 hopefully, and you've still got the vets for that.

don't like the range on the demolisher :/

 Lord Zereul wrote:


Only problem is the Multi Melta's will be snap shooting if you fire the Demolisher Cannon as it is Ordinance and the Russ sadly lost the ability to shoot all weapons at full BS that it had in the old days.

I am more than happy to be corrected on this though.

No, you're right. Sadly.
Anyone had any luck with the Vanquisher? One shot at BS3 but at least you can use you other guns. If you use that variant in Pask's squad you can benefit from preferred enemy at least and still fire at other targets with tank orders.
As a side note, as you still have a few spare points fitting your tanks with Camo netting could save you from a few heartaches- especially combined with the "Strike and shroud" order.

This is a 1000 point list so the two melta squads for heavy armor, pask's unit and chimeras can handle light armor. And and a standard Russ plays jack of all trades.

I would not use a bs:3 vanquisher.

And I also would not multipurpose Pask's unit. You only get split fire with an order meaning you might fail it and you can't issue another. If either of those happen one tank is not shooting what you brought it for.

There is always a compromise at these low point games

For the remaining 80 points, i have lately become a huge fan of Armored Sentinels with multilasers.

Hows this idea.

Pask in Punisher with HB Sponsons and Cammo Netting
Executioner Plasma Sponsons and Cammo Netting

Vets with 3 melta's in Chimera (Stock)
Vets with 3 plasma's in Chimera (Stock)

Armoured Sent with plasma Cannon Cammo Netting

Exterminator HB Sponsons and Cammo Netting

Total 1000 points

No plasma on the sentinel unless you want it dead. They only have 2 hull points. Trust me those things are awesome if you keep them cheap. Nit just for the gun but as long as a space marine unit doesn't have a power fist or axe. Just and tie them up for the while game. 1 attack with a cracked Grenade needing 6's takes a long time.

 Lord Zereul wrote:
Hows this idea.

Pask in Punisher with HB Sponsons and Cammo Netting
Executioner Plasma Sponsons and Cammo Netting

Vets with 3 melta's in Chimera (Stock)
Vets with 3 plasma's in Chimera (Stock)

Armoured Sent with plasma Cannon Cammo Netting

Exterminator HB Sponsons and Cammo Netting

Total 1000 points

I love armored setinels so I dig this! Did you not like the stock Russ ? And does the Russ in the squad with pask get to re roll gets hot or only pask? Also what does camp netting do? Sry new to the guard and don't have the book in hand

 gainsay wrote:

 Lord Zereul wrote:
Hows this idea.

Pask in Punisher with HB Sponsons and Cammo Netting
Executioner Plasma Sponsons and Cammo Netting

Vets with 3 melta's in Chimera (Stock)
Vets with 3 plasma's in Chimera (Stock)

Armoured Sent with plasma Cannon Cammo Netting

Exterminator HB Sponsons and Cammo Netting

Total 1000 points

I love armored setinels so I dig this! Did you not like the stock Russ ? And does the Russ in the squad with pask get to re roll gets hot or only pask? Also what does camp netting do? Sry new to the guard and don't have the book in hand

Current FAQ lets you reroll the 1's due to Pask's Preferred Enemy trait as it affects him and the unit he is in. Cammo netting gives +1 to cover saves meaning they get 6+ cover save in the open.

Personally I have had only small issues blowing my sents up with overheating plasma weapons generally there shot to all buggery before that happens tho. If you swap to a multi laser that saves 10 points for something else. Could put a hunter killer on pask for 10 points /shrug.


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Remove the Exterminator and change the Armored sent to a stock with multi laser (no cammo nets) gives you points to add another base armored sent and a battle tank (No upgrades)

could be an option.

looks like your points are off unless I've made a mistake. without camo netting this is what im getting

1K

HQ
tank commander pask
leman russ punisher
- heavy bolter sponsons
230pt

Leman russ Executioner 185
plasma sponsons
140pt

troops
veterans
demolitions
x3 melta gun
chimera
200 pt

troops
veterans
demolitions
x3 melta gun
chimera
200 pt

Fast
2 Armoured sentinel ( stock )
80pt

heavy
leman russ battle tank
pts 150

total 1000

At 1000 points that seems solid.

I disagree I believe that pask is better in a vanquisher to REALLY kill that tank with a lascannon and some plasma sponsons to be able to take on TEQS.

Alexisfairos wrote:
I disagree I believe that pask is better in a vanquisher to REALLY kill that tank with a lascannon and some plasma sponsons to be able to take on TEQS.

It's a 1000k point list the vet squads will be able to handle whatever heavy armor they bring and the rest of the things can dish out plenty of shots to kill the rest of the light armor.

Also why would you buy expensive anti infantry sponsons on a tank killer? Either your wasting those points shooting at tanks they don't help with, or good for you smacking that guardsman up side the head with a Vanquisher round. Guard have numbers so it's best to specialize units. Marines need the jack of all trades stuff because everything has to do everything.

Also his vet squads have 3 meltas and an ap2 demo charge, pask rends for ap2 in a punisher, and he has an Executioner. How much more teq killing do you want?

You could always bump something and add a 5-man Scion squad with two meltaguns for 90 points. Deep striking suicide anti-armor squad.

 don_mondo wrote:
You could always bump something and add a 5-man Scion squad with two meltaguns for 90 points. Deep striking suicide anti-armor squad.

Thought about that. I have 20 of the old inquisitorial storm troopers but no meltas just grenaders and plasma :(. Going to use them in a Valk or a chimera in the near future.


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aleis wrote:

Alexisfairos wrote:
I disagree I believe that pask is better in a vanquisher to REALLY kill that tank with a lascannon and some plasma sponsons to be able to take on TEQS.

It's a 1000k point list the vet squads will be able to handle whatever heavy armor they bring and the rest of the things can dish out plenty of shots to kill the rest of the light armor.

Also why would you buy expensive anti infantry sponsons on a tank killer? Either your wasting those points shooting at tanks they don't help with, or good for you smacking that guardsman up side the head with a Vanquisher round. Guard have numbers so it's best to specialize units. Marines need the jack of all trades stuff because everything has to do everything.

Also his vet squads have 3 meltas and an ap2 demo charge, pask rends for ap2 in a punisher, and he has an Executioner. How much more teq killing do you want?

My thoughts as well. Also I dont like the single shot even with a re roll.

 gainsay wrote:

 don_mondo wrote:
You could always bump something and add a 5-man Scion squad with two meltaguns for 90 points. Deep striking suicide anti-armor squad.

Thought about that. I have 20 of the old inquisitorial storm troopers but no meltas just grenaders and plasma :(. Going to use them in a Valk or a chimera in the near future.

The old beret storm troopers? If so, I might be able to help you out...

 don_mondo wrote:

 gainsay wrote:

 don_mondo wrote:
You could always bump something and add a 5-man Scion squad with two meltaguns for 90 points. Deep striking suicide anti-armor squad.

Thought about that. I have 20 of the old inquisitorial storm troopers but no meltas just grenaders and plasma :(. Going to use them in a Valk or a chimera in the near future.

The old beret storm troopers? If so, I might be able to help you out...

Nope these ones from 3rd https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O7EN8ycvYuo/UDv1eT7wF3I/AAAAAAAADYo/If-W5BM8vMg/s1600/Stormtroopers+001.jpg


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I didnt want to start another thread because I have this one going but what do you guys think about this 1850 list with two knights im 30pts over

HQ

tank commander pask
leman russ punisher
- heavy bolter sponsons
230pt

Leman russ Executioner 185
- plasma sponsons

Leman russ eradicator 120

troops
veterans
demolitions
x3 melta gun
chimera
200 pt

troops
veterans
demolitions
x3 melta gun
chimera
200 pt

troops
veterans
grenaders
x3 plasma gun
chimera
200 pt

Allies

Knight Errant - 370pts

Knight Warden - 375pts

total 1850

I don't like the Eradicator, the ap 4 part means it doesn't kill space marines and it's not strong enough to really help with most tanks. And all that is only If the template doesn't scatter.

If you want ap4 guns that ignore cover buy a hellhound, it's garunteed to hit what you want. O

aleis wrote:
I don't like the Eradicator, the ap 4 part means it doesn't kill space marines and it's not strong enough to really help with most tanks. And all that is only If the template doesn't scatter.

If you want ap4 guns that ignore cover buy a hellhound, it's garunteed to hit what you want. O

Ok so if I want to run a 3rd Russ what should it be to complement the other two? I'll prob drop a knight so I can free up points for a better Russ and another vet unit in a chimera

I'm guessing your putting thethird tank in pask's unit. If so the punisher and executioner are bother anti infantry/light tank. You could do another one of those, or a standard Russ is always functional