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Or am I just reading it like I would like to see it. It seems some ways that army interacts changed today.

What specific ruling are you getting this from? Because I haven't seen it anywhere.

What specific ruling are you getting this from? Because I haven't seen it anywhere.

I'm curious about that too. I didn't see it either, but it wouldn't be the first time I missed the obvious.

On one hand, it would be a shame as GSC would no longer be the meta-buster they currently are. On the other hand, it would be great as I wouldn't need to worry about including Greyfax in my Mechanicum lists. lol

You mean this one?

Q: If a unit has Infiltrate and is using Cult Ambush to deploy,
it’s not using Infiltrate as such. Does this mean it can charge in
the first turn?

A: No.

Not a GSC player. Help me understand - does this stop a first turn charge?

 techsoldaten wrote:
You mean this one?

Q: If a unit has Infiltrate and is using Cult Ambush to deploy,
it’s not using Infiltrate as such. Does this mean it can charge in
the first turn?

A: No.

Not a GSC player. Help me understand - does this stop a first turn charge?

Yes? The question basically asks it. I don't see the confusion here.

the "6" result of the Cult Ambush level specifically states that they can charge even if it is turn 1 or even if they arrive from reserves, doesn't it?

The reason regular infiltrating units can't charge turn 1 is because the infiltrate rule says you can't.
Cult ambush replaces infiltrate, so I suppose you could say that restriction wasn't there.

Basically this answer is just patching that hole and saying that cult ambushers can not charge on rolls less than a 6.

Yeah, nothing groundbreaking there. HOWEVER their answers on what does and doesn't happen during the "deployment Cult Ambush" are really odd. Like the Cult Ambush instead of Infiltrating is counting as stationary during shooting, but one arriving after deployment is counting as having moved.

Arson Fire wrote:
The reason regular infiltrating units can't charge turn 1 is because the infiltrate rule says you can't.
Cult ambush replaces infiltrate, so I suppose you could say that restriction wasn't there.

Basically this answer is just patching that hole and saying that cult ambushers can not charge on rolls less than a 6.

Then that is what they should have said. But they didn't. What they did say was that if using Ambush instead of Infiltrate, you cannot assault on the first turn... they don't specify any dice roll, they don't say unless you rolled a 6, they just say "No."
Which makes no sense at all. Because the Ambush rule says you have to use Ambush to be able to assault on the first turn...


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the_scotsman wrote:
the "6" result of the Cult Ambush level specifically states that they can charge even if it is turn 1 or even if they arrive from reserves, doesn't it?

Yep.
"Unlike other units that Infiltrate or arrive from Reserves, the ambushing unit can charge in their first turn or on the turn they arrive from Reserves."

So let's see, if you Infiltrate as normal, you cannot charge on the fist turn. Got it. Per the FAQ, if you use Cult Ambush instead of Infiltrate, you... CANNOT ... charge on the first turn. Huh? Just a flat out "no.". If they meant No, unless it is a '6', then they should have said that. They didn't.

And actually, nowhere in the rule does it specify the '6' result. It merely says the 'ambushing unit' and refers to both infiltrating and Reserves, where the '6' result only specifies a 3" infiltrate. So why mention Reserves unless it applies to the other ('1' and '2') results? And sure, they could have meant 'Ongoing Reserves', but if so, they should have said so.

But yeah, as written, the FAQ removes the ability for Cult Ambush units to infiltrate and assault on the first turn.

Frankly I won't shed a tear to see it go. It did not become the meta buster here, it BECAME the meta. Literally last tournament half the players were running it. Every game I played was vs some flavor of them/guard/nids.

 Orock wrote:
Frankly I won't shed a tear to see it go. It did not become the meta buster here, it BECAME the meta. Literally last tournament half the players were running it. Every game I played was vs some flavor of them/guard/nids.

So I guess nobody brought gladius? Because gladius beats the tar out of GSC.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Orock wrote:
Frankly I won't shed a tear to see it go. It did not become the meta buster here, it BECAME the meta. Literally last tournament half the players were running it. Every game I played was vs some flavor of them/guard/nids.

So I guess nobody brought gladius? Because gladius beats the tar out of GSC.

And apparently nobody brought in superfriends or daemons out of the whazoo.

No it shouldn't remove the charge, but I think it removes shooting heavy weapons. I'm not sure we might need an FAQ for the FAQ.

I think what it means is it does not override the infiltrating first turn charge restriction, BUT on subsequent turns, like after going back into the shadows, any 6s can charge same turn they come in. Much more balanced without invalidating certain armies.

 Orock wrote:
I think what it means is it does not override the infiltrating first turn charge restriction, BUT on subsequent turns, like after going back into the shadows, any 6s can charge same turn they come in. Much more balanced without invalidating certain armies.

What are you saying? Are you saying even if you roll a 6 on turn one you can't assault?

Yes, because the Eldar might lose if GSC kept the rule. GW can't have that.

Davor wrote:

 Orock wrote:
I think what it means is it does not override the infiltrating first turn charge restriction, BUT on subsequent turns, like after going back into the shadows, any 6s can charge same turn they come in. Much more balanced without invalidating certain armies.

What are you saying? Are you saying even if you roll a 6 on turn one you can't assault?

Yes. I believe they realized they messed up, that this rule invalidates many army's, And unlike with tau you cant just fix the board with good terrain coverage, partially alleviating the horrible losses turn one. I think this is their way out of it. And since its the most up to date ruling, and specifically says they cant charge on turn one, im pretty sure they mean they cant charge turn one.

I would say the faq ruling pertains to cult ambush on a general level, and specifically rolling a 6 lets you charge. Any other result = no charge.

A lot of people were claiming cult ambush was something different from infiltrating, and had none of the restrictions of infiltrating therefore they could charge on any result from deployment. Which of course makes the benefit of rolling a 6 moot...

Most likely the person writing it was thinking about all the other results aside from 6. It has been argued by some that if CA doesn't count as Infiltrating, then by the rules you are allowed to charge with any CA result.

The result 6 clearly states you can charge when using CA, and the results are and function the same both when Infiltrating and arriving from reserves.

Infiltration can only be used during the deployment sub-phase. A result of 6 allows you to charge when using Infiltrate;

Unlike other units that Infiltrate or arrive from Reserves, the ambushing unit can charge in their first turn or on the turn they arrive from Reserves.

A mistake I guess they'll fix soon, altough I know many gunline players wish they didn't.

How are tournaments abiding by gw FAQ's running it. Because all it says is no. I imagine people are segueing about it.